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Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by adolph on Monday July 12, 2010 @12:20PM (#1508397)
The iPhone 4 antenna attenuation issue will be remembered as one of the biggest avoidable but unforeseen design errors of all time, I think.
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by powrtoch on Monday July 12, 2010 @12:31PM (#1508434)
Maybe by HNers. I think a solid percentage of the general public at least vaguely knows about it, but most of my non-techie friends probably don't, or if they do they heard once and then forgot about it. It's certainly a screw up on Apple's part, but when you keep in mind that the rest of the world is seeing much less targeted news streams, I hardly think it's historical.
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by Encosia on Monday July 12, 2010 @03:29PM (#1509098)
Almost everyone that has noticed my iPhone 4 and wanted to talk about it (strange how much attention it gets, compared to what the 3G and 3GS did) has asked about the antenna. The issue has been talked up enough in non-tech news that it's hard not to know about it.
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by risotto on Monday July 12, 2010 @06:55PM (#1509738)
Same here.

"Ooh is that the new iPhone? Do you have antenna problems?"

I say that while I do notice the affect, i've dropped no calls in my apartment with the new model, vs 70% dropped rate on my 3G.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by hyperbovine on Monday July 12, 2010 @04:21PM (#1509279)
most of my non-techie friends probably don't

You mean the ones who treat Consumer Reports' recommendations as holy writ?

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by jasonlotito on Monday July 12, 2010 @01:42PM (#1508693)
Most of the non-techie people aren't also that interested in Apple. They just care about the product. In this case, I know several non-techies (hair dresser, cake decorator, etc) who really don't care about Apple, the company. However, they have asked about the Apple phone screw up they heard about.

Most non-techies, I find, will see a tech-oriented friend to guide purchases, and they will learn about it through those means.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by recampbell on Monday July 12, 2010 @04:04PM (#1509214)
So much for that idea. I just heard this story reported on NPR.
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by theBobMcCormick on Monday July 12, 2010 @01:19PM (#1508604)
I gotta agree. Particularly because if the ceramic of the rest of the case had extended to cover the antenna (or if it'd been covered by plastic, or really by anything) this wouldn't have happened.

IMHO, Apple got burned by two things here: 1) The got carried about by how cool using the Antenna as part of the case would look. 2) Their infamous obsession with secrecy meant that all the test phones were hidden in cases that masked the problem, thereby inadvertently tainting their test results and preventing them from discovering the problem.

I wonder if they could apply a thin laquer or clear plastic coating to the antenna on future iPhone4's to fix the problem?

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by panacea on Monday July 12, 2010 @04:23PM (#1509290)
I remember seeing the leaked Gizmodo photos and thinking "Yep. that's the new iPhone for sure" even though the gaps in the frame seemed so... unApple like?

It's certainly been entertaining following the drama from finding out that it was left in a bar ("Why would Apple let one off campus? Are they mad?") to Steve Jobs explaining the 'revolutionary' new frame as antennae design, to the eventual kerfuffle about bridging the gap and Apple's admission that they display arbitrary bars 'incorrectly'.

They probably should have installed some Faraday cages of varying effectiveness in Infinite Loop methinks.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by edkennedy on Monday July 12, 2010 @05:27PM (#1509500)
I kept wondering throughout the entire escapade: "I wonder if Apple is going to rush the iPhone out to the public now that it has been leaked?" It certainly seems like more testing was required.
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by CamperBob on Monday July 12, 2010 @04:23PM (#1509289)
Their infamous obsession with secrecy meant that all the test phones were hidden in cases that masked the problem, thereby inadvertently tainting their test results and preventing them from discovering the problem.

It should've shown up in an EM simulator before the hardware design was even finalized. The fact that it didn't explains why Apple is just now getting around to hiring some RF engineers.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by tomkarlo on Monday July 12, 2010 @06:02PM (#1509600)
If you think this rates high on the list of avoidable but unforeseen design errors, you need to study more engineering history. (And generally, all design errors are avoidable - otherwise they wouldn't be a design decision.) As far as I know, this hasn't killed, maimed or irradiated anyone quite yet.

It's a slightly unfortunate design decision on an otherwise elegantly designed device. It's notable because our expectations are so high - if this was from any company other than Apple it wouldn't get so much press.

But let's put things in perspective, it's not a Ford Pinto, Three Mile Island control panel, Tacoma Narrows Bridge, Hyatt Skywalk, or DC-10. If you don't like it, you return the phone and get your money back. You don't end up six feet under.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by cschep on Monday July 12, 2010 @01:08PM (#1508566)
iPhone 4 owner as of day 1 and I haven't had an issue. I can't imagine that this is true.

EDIT: Wow, Ok I get it. It's a real problem. But I guess I meant to say that it certainly seems like the iPhone will be remembered in a much more positive light.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by leviathant on Monday July 12, 2010 @01:32PM (#1508653)
I wonder who's done more research into the issue, cschep and his iPhone 4, or Consumer Reports, with decades of history of impartial product testing, three iPhones, and an RF isolation chamber?

Well, since cschep hasn't had the issue, it can't possibly be true.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by tvon on Monday July 12, 2010 @02:26PM (#1508865)
[edited to be less dickish]

First comment:

> The iPhone 4 antenna attenuation issue will be remembered as one of the biggest avoidable but unforeseen design errors of all time, I think.

The response:

> iPhone 4 owner as of day 1 and I haven't had an issue. I can't imagine that this is true.

What cschep can't imagine to be true is:

That the iPhone 4 will be remembered as one of the biggest avoidable but unforseen design errors of all time.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by leviathant on Monday July 12, 2010 @02:39PM (#1508907)
Here, let me quote the edit to the original post. "EDIT: Wow, Ok I get it. It's a real problem." That whirring noise you might hear when you read his edit is the sound of backpedaling.

That said, I think that the post he was replying to is overblown. I don't think everyone will remember the iPhone for having antenna issues. I think that the most outstanding thing the iPhone4 brings to the table is the display, which is awesome and ahead of its time, by just a little bit.

Let's go over this again, just so you understand the downvotes. [EDIT: I appreciate that you removed the bit where you called me and the other upvoters 'geniuses' - I would like to believe that the level of rehtoric on HN is above ad hominem attacks.]

"The iPhone 4 antenna attenuation issue will be remembered as one of the biggest avoidable but unforeseen design errors of all time, I think." This guy thinks that the antenna issue is going to be very memorable. I personally disagree with what he thinks, but it is what he thinks.

"iPhone 4 owner as of day 1 and I haven't had an issue. I can't imagine that this is true." This guy either can't imagine that it's true that the other guy thinks that the antenna issue is going to be very memorable, or he can't believe it's true that the issue he can't reproduce even exists.

He is wrong on both counts. While certainly the original poster can change his mind about how important the antenna issue will be, at the moment he wrote that, is is true that he thought it was huge. At the moment he wrote that, the issue as described by Consumer Reports and now Engadget, exists and is true.

Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by tvon on Monday July 12, 2010 @02:48PM (#1508951)
I read "EDIT: Wow, Ok I get it. It's a real problem." as clarification, not backpedaling.
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by humblepatience on Monday July 12, 2010 @03:40PM (#1509133)
i can't hear your post over the sound of you being a longwinded asshole
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by leviathant on Monday July 12, 2010 @03:56PM (#1509181)
Classy! Is your handle intentionally ironic?
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by cschep on Monday July 12, 2010 @04:35PM (#1509330)
I really did not intend to be so dismissive, but was just trying to counter with the idea that the iPhone 4 is such a wonderful piece of design and engineering. That I just can't imagine it being remembered for anything other than that. Just an opinion.
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by ghurlman on Monday July 12, 2010 @01:24PM (#1508618)
iPhone 4 owner as of day 1 and I have had this issue. I can't imagine that this is false.
Re:Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4 by geuis on Monday July 12, 2010 @01:36PM (#1508668)
If you live near SF, come to my neighborhood for a beer and I'll show you the problem on your phone.