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Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by atonse on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @02:43PM (#15075266)
Carriers must be having such a wonderful time with this new FCC.

Uhhh unlimited but it'll never be fast! Uhhh we can re-encode your video, unless it's streamed from Verizon (you know this part's coming...), deal with it!

Can't wait for VPN technology to become more widespread, so we can keep these crooks from altering our traffic.

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by marklawrutgers on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:24PM (#15075570)
That is until the multi-billion dollar lobbyists decide to push for VPN bans in Congress because only terrorists and child pornographers need privacy like that. Basically what's already happening in China, Russia, and the UK.
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by DKnoll on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @04:03PM (#15075892)
How is this already happening in the UK?
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by 0x5f3759df-i on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @04:12PM (#15075966)
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by DKnoll on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @06:03PM (#15076757)
Neither mention VPNs, also first link is an opinion piece.
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by TheAdamist on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:46PM (#15075733)
They're traffic shaping to certain MBps, not re-encoding according to some of the articles, so a vpn wouldn't help depending on how they detect "streaming video".
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by atonse on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:55PM (#15075820)
But that's not what they're doing. Judging by their marketing language, it's likely their contract language does enforce caps on the TYPE of content.

If they just started somehow throttling all VPN traffic, this is easy to detect, and they'd be in breach of contract.

It still won't matter with the current crowd in the White House. Nobody will enforce anything.

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by dogma1138 on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:23PM (#15075560)
This isn't a net neutrality issue. Come to Europe and let's compare datacaps.
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by awinder on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:41PM (#15075698)
Treating video bits differently from image and text bits is exactly a net neutrality issue, it’s content-based filtering
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by falcolas on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @07:17PM (#15077169)
IMO, as a fairly staunch NN defender - no it's not. But only so long as the limiting is applied equally to all video providers, including Verizon's own.

Traffic shaping (QoS) according to protocol is nothing new, and it can actually generally improve responsiveness for everyone given a congested network. If my VOIP packets have exactly the same priority as your Netflix - I'll be the one to suffer for it. On the other hand, if my VOIP has higher priority than your video, I'll get a good VOIP session, and thanks to buffering, you will still probably get the same quality video.

The overall drop in bandwidth being offered sucks, but it also seems a bit more honest than their previous "unlimited" offerings.

Again, this is only the case in my eyes so long as Verizon doesn't start offering a fast lane for certain providers. If (probably more "when" than "if") they start doing this, then I'll gather up my torch and pitchfork and join in the fun.

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by derekp7 on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:54PM (#15075805)
But the question then becomes, is it a good or bad thing? Is it better to pay $10 per GB, or is it better to not have to worry about gigabytes, with the caveat that video (which happens currently be a high bandwidth consumer) gets throttled? Then add onto it that the video quality for many consumers is still more than adequate for the size of screen they are dealing with.

Personally, I don't do video over LTE, but I would like to use the mobile hotspot feature on my phone more often without having to worry about going over. And as long as it is enough for me to use ssh, RDP, or VNC, then I'm good. Other people, of course, have different requirements.

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by awinder on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @05:07PM (#15076405)
Yep, everyone has different requirements. And I think we have tested the world where, those different requirements all being equal, has served customers well. And innovation for that matter -- if video had a shotgun to it's back during its formative technology years who knows what kind of crappy technology we'd be dealing with right now.

I'm kinda in the same boat where I'm not someone who is just churning through video bandwidth, im rarely hitting 5GB across 2 phones on a heavy month. But that said I also would like to get great quality for the videos I do watch, and occasionally I'll throw a video to a tv and there you can definitely appreciate higher bandwidth there. I mean, I don't see the problem with the world where you can let applications & operation systems present choices to users, who will then set sensible defaults / pick and choose / etc. Enforcing this on a network layer is a pretty extreme measure.

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by atonse on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:57PM (#15075832)
But RDP and VNC are essentially streaming video over the internet. How would they make that distinction?
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by rmwaite on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @04:44PM (#15076216)
You can identify traffic flows based on any number of characteristics, port number, protocol, and data payload to name a few.
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by derekp7 on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @04:32PM (#15076116)
As long as I can get 10 frames per second on a remote desktop, I'm good.
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by dogma1138 on Thursday August 24, 2017 @04:28AM (#15088480)
It's not filtering, it's not blocking anything based on the contents of the content or it's origin just the bandwidth it will use. Sorry but i don't see how throttling some one to oh boy only 720p is a problem... Even the fact that they have 480/720p packages now isn't an issue, Netflix charges you extra for 4K also.
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by shedlight on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:16PM (#15075507)
What do you mean by "new FCC" and what do they have to do with it?

Also, was the old unlimited truly unlimited in all ways? If so, how can every single customer of any company actually get unlimited data, all the time without unlimited hardware appearing from nowhere and radio wave spectrum that expands to unlimited use for unlimited people?

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by awinder on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:47PM (#15075741)
New FCC refers to the party switch in the WH changing the FCC voting commissioner makeup from 3D-2R nominees to 2D-3R.

The old plans and the new plans both defined “unlimited” as a number of GB of full speed which could degrade after so much use, so that’s never been at issue. That was a usage plan but the network traffic was not treated differently (or wasn’t supposed to be). Now the plans also perform content-based network degradation at all times, regardless of data usage, which is a shot at net neutrality for sure.

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by pjschlic on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:49PM (#15075756)
I think the 'new FCC' comment is a reference to the current FCC Commissioner being a former general council at Verizon (though it was awhile ago). Additionally, he's been strongly opposed regulation of the telecoms and opposed net neutrality for awhile. It's not all him, but the FCC has sharply changed course on net neutrality since December.
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by runjake on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @04:02PM (#15075878)
I think you mean the new FCC chairman:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajit_V._Pai

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by praneshp on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:53PM (#15075801)
> I think the 'new FCC' comment is a reference to the current FCC Commissioner being a former general council at Verizon

This is a somewhat silly argument. I remember the same concern over Wheeler; everyone was tripping over themselves to praise him when he turned out to be pro-net neutrality.

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by atonse on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @04:03PM (#15075889)
While many of us were delighted to be wrong about Wheeler, Ajit Pai has ended up being exactly the kind of spineless corporate shill that you'd expect him to be.

Wheeler was the exception.

Pai will be handsomely rewarded for all the billions he's generated for the telcos.

Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by praneshp on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @04:05PM (#15075904)
Oh, I'm not questioning if Pai is/will continue to be a shill. Let's call him that for being a spineless shill, not because he worked at Verizon once. Sorry if I'm nitpicking, but it's an important distinction to me.
Re:Verizon’s good unlimited data plan is now three bad unlim... by shedlight on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @03:38PM (#15075673)
Seeing down votes but no comments? This is why Reddit beats HN in every single way.