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Re:Cracking random number generators (xoroshiro128+) by andruby on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:55AM (#15072392)
As I am uninformed on the subject, could you tell me the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom?
Re:Cracking random number generators (xoroshiro128+) by Tomte on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:07AM (#15072519)
You're right, that was too short and thus too harsh. Please accept my apologies.

So a short roundup:

/dev/random and /dev/urandom used to be exactly the same (on Linux), except that /dev/random did some voodoo "entropy estimation" that the Linux kernel guys are totally in love with, but everyone else doesn't trust anyway. Even if there was a plausible model how to estimate entropy, which there isn't.

In the meantime things have changed quite a bit. But the main thing to know is the same: /dev/urandom is the device you want to use for cryptographic randomness. /dev/random is an oddity that will be there forever because Linux takes backwards compatibility (for user space) extremely seriously.

(On other Unixoid platforms you also want /dev/urandom)

If you can use syscalls and don't need a device, use getrandom(2) over /dev/urandom. It's better.

Oh, and please note that the Linux man pages have been updated! They now state clearly that /dev/urandom is suitable for cryptographic use. Of course, lots of old man pages floating around on the web.

Re:Cracking random number generators (xoroshiro128+) by filleokus on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @09:57AM (#15072412)
Quite a long read, but I think it explains the situation quite well: https://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
Re:Cracking random number generators (xoroshiro128+) by Tomte on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:03AM (#15072473)
Unfortunately, the article isn't in the best shape right now.

Back when it was written, things were clear: random and urandom are the same. Then came getrandom as a distraction. Now urandom is based on chacha. So it's different (but not worse – still, harder to explain).

The article's structure couldn't easily accomodate those changes, and time was and is in short supply, and so it's not wrong, but much less forceful and clear than it used to be. I hope it shapes up soon, but don't promise anything!

Still, I don't know a more up-to-date article. Maybe Thomas Pornin has something newer on StackOverflow?

Re:Cracking random number generators (xoroshiro128+) by snakeanus on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:06AM (#15072503)
> Now urandom is based on chacha

Did Linux follow the example set by OpenBSD?

Re:Cracking random number generators (xoroshiro128+) by Tomte on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:08AM (#15072532)
I think so, yes. getrandom(2) is also an OpenBSD thing (getentropy), but of course they had to rename it and add a few options...
Re:Cracking random number generators (xoroshiro128+) by snakeanus on Tuesday August 22, 2017 @10:02AM (#15072468)