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Re:Alphabet’s hate-fighting AI doesn’t understand hate yet by marrs on Monday August 21, 2017 @09:36AM (#15064470) 

    I don't think the particular issue is with deciding what
    hate is. Your example said that the AI would understand
    all of those as hate, and I think it would be correct.
What makes you so sure about that? What if the context is "I hate scientists...they keep proving me wrong". Is that a show of hatred or a tongue-in-cheek show of respect?

And then there's all the stuff that people say that gets misunderstood by other people.

And then there's all the gaming that's going to take place, where people realise they can silence their opponents by describing their opinions as being "hateful". Oh wait, that's happening already.

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Re:Alphabet’s hate-fighting AI doesn’t understand hate yet by etplayer on Monday August 21, 2017 @09:51AM (#15064600)
> What makes you so sure about that? What if the context is "I hate scientists...they keep proving me wrong". Is that a show of hatred or a tongue-in-cheek show of respect?

You are correct, I didn't consider this, so there at least two problems with deciding what is hateful: (1) is the expression insincere?, (2) if it is sincere, is the hate justified?

This is of course assuming such a machine can be designed to obtain the correct meaning of words in every case, which I think is impossible or close to it. Language is ambiguous, some languages more than others.

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Re:Alphabet’s hate-fighting AI doesn’t understand hate yet by Govindae on Monday August 21, 2017 @10:04AM (#15064695)
This is a general NLP problem. People use language in more complicated ways than direct literal encoding. In the general case, it's a very hard problem, but hate specifically may not be so difficult.

People tend not to use phrases like "kill all the" in unambiguous ways.

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Re:Alphabet’s hate-fighting AI doesn’t understand hate yet by belovedeagle on Monday August 21, 2017 @04:25PM (#15067554)
However, a significant (not large, significant) proportion of Americans believe that the phrase "kill all the Nazis" is not hate because <reasons>, or at least is "justified hate", whatever that means.
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Re:Alphabet’s hate-fighting AI doesn’t understand hate yet by etplayer on Monday August 21, 2017 @05:40PM (#15068070)
Although it's clearly hate, it is regarded as justified for reasons which some people agree with; a good read on this, from which I got the idea about the "subversive element" of society is Marcuse's essay Repressive Tolerance (1965), which you can find here: http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetole...
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