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Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by WalterBright on Sunday August 20, 2017 @10:30PM (#15061511)
> would be unleashed

That's the theory that the rich hoard their money in Scrooge McDuck cash vaults, keeping it out of the economy.

That's false - all of it is in the economy, via investments. Even money kept in a checking account is invested in the economy (banks loan out that money).

The only cash kept in cash vaults is the reserve that the government requires banks to keep to provide a buffer against runs on the bank.

Various times in history people have "liberated" wealth from wealthy people, and it never stimulated the economy (quite the reverse), because the wealth was already in the economy.

Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by cs702 on Monday August 21, 2017 @12:29AM (#15061929)
> ...the rich hoard their money in Scrooge McDuck cash vaults, keeping it out of the economy.

I did NOT say that. Please don't attack a straw man!

> All of it is in the economy, via investments. Even money kept in a checking account is invested in the economy (banks loan out that money).

It's a little more complicated than that. Since the Global Financial Crisis, many central banks around the world, including the Federal Reserve, have been doing EVERYTHING and ANYTHING they can to get banks to lend more, and to get businesses and individuals to borrow more and invest more.

Yet no matter what central banks have tried, individuals and businesses are not yet investing at historical rates, as evidenced by historically high liquidity[1], historically low money velocity[2], and even negative nominal interest rates in some countries[3], which are historically unique.[4] Keynes's argument that depressionary depressions/recessions may be caused by increased 'preference' for liquidity and lack of aggregate demand could actually be right, for all I know.

Meanwhile, the evidence I've seen suggests that redistributionist policies don't seem to have an impact on economic growth. For example, see: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/sdn/2014/sdn1402.pdf

So, why not try it, e.g., in the form of UBI or works programs, say, in controlled regional experiments? If it turns out that it works, great; if it doesn't work, then let's try something else.

NOTES:

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AMBNS -- look at that jump in 2008!

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

[3] Example: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-snb-results-banks-idUSKBN...

[4] http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-5000-years-of-interest-...

Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by jaggederest on Monday August 21, 2017 @01:44AM (#15062223)
Seignorage or negative interest rates might be a fun one too. Charge fees on stagnant cash.
Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by WalterBright on Sunday August 20, 2017 @10:41PM (#15061558)
There's a good explanation in the movie "It's A Wonderful Life" about what happens to the money deposited in a bank, and where it goes.
Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by chrisgd on Sunday August 20, 2017 @10:50PM (#15061585)
Loans create deposits. Banks are not constrained to make loans based on how much is on deposit.
Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by WalterBright on Sunday August 20, 2017 @11:05PM (#15061636)
> Loans create deposits

Initially, yes. But people borrow money in order to spend it, not leave it on deposit.

> not constrained

That's right, just as airlines are not constrained to keep their airplanes flying payloads. But if they don't, they are not making money.

Every time you step in a bank, they try to sell you a loan for a reason.

Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by mempko on Monday August 21, 2017 @12:36AM (#15061953)
Banks don't loan deposits, this is a common myth.
Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by fwn on Monday August 21, 2017 @06:15AM (#15063377)
Yes they do. The myth is that deposits are the only (or a big part of the) money which is loaned out. That is very wrong for many banks.
Re:The rich are hoarding economic growth by MrBingley on Monday August 21, 2017 @12:26AM (#15061922)
What about the Panama Papers?