Not only is Kubernetes in a better place than Swarm, the core Docker engine is only a cog in that machine. Should the need arise it would be trivial for them to swap it out with another own container engine.

Kubernetes is the magic sauce, not Docker.

The attitude that docker is pointless and kubernetes is amazing despite Docker has been consistent from A vocal minority of the kubernetes community and it’s self serving and getting a little annoying.

Is docker perfect? no. Swarm has been an absolute disaster. API stability has been dramatically undervalued. There is room for containers to grow, and their power is nowhere near tapped out.

There still a lot of room for improvement on the containerization space, and docker is going to drive that, whether the kubernetes crowd likes that or not.

Kubernetes is amazing and gives us a real chance to have an operating system for the data center.

Kubernetes itself, despite years of investing is still ridiculously difficult to install. It still has an adoption that’s at least two orders of magnitude below baseline docker. The learning curve is still way higher than it should be.

Frankly I hope that all involved get their heads out of their asses and build something great rather then continue to muscle in on each other. There is no reason for this pissing match given that it’s the combination of borg and Docker that makes solutions deployed on top of kubernetes amazing.