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Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by leereeves on Friday August 18, 2017 @08:53AM (#15045629)
> There would be no antifa without far right extremists.

They weren't fighting "far right extremists" at the G20 summit.

Antifa is violent. Full stop. That's independent of the equally bad people who are sometimes on the other side.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by croon on Friday August 18, 2017 @09:03AM (#15045701)
> They weren't fighting "far right extremists" at the G20 summit.

This doesn't negate anything I said.

> Antifa is violent. Full stop.

On occasion, their ideals aren't.

> That's independent of the equally bad people who are sometimes on the other side.

Again, not equal, and again, wouldn't exist without Nazis.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by leereeves on Friday August 18, 2017 @09:06AM (#15045718)
> Again, not equal, and again, wouldn't exist without Nazis.

Antifa is also "anticapitalist".

https://twitter.com/NYCAntifa/status/882475842802262016

They would exist without Nazis. In fact, Charlottesville may be the first time they've actually fought Nazis.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by croon on Friday August 18, 2017 @09:13AM (#15045765)
> They would exist without Nazis. In fact, Charlottesville may be the first time they've actually fought Nazis.

> The first German movement to call itself Antifaschistische Aktion was proclaimed by the German Communist Party (KPD) in their newspaper Rote Fahne in 1932 and held its first rally in Berlin on 10 July 1932, then capital of the Weimar Republic. During the early 1930s amidst rising tensions between Nazis and the communists, Berlin in particular has been the site of regular and often very violent clashes between the two groups.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by leereeves on Friday August 18, 2017 @09:14AM (#15045774)
I'm talking about the people who call themselves Antifa now, not everyone who's ever used that name.

There's no direct connection between those people in 1932 and these people in 2017, except using the same name.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by croon on Friday August 18, 2017 @09:16AM (#15045782)
> I'm talking about the people who call themselves Antifa now, not everyone who's ever used that name.

> There's no direct connection between those people in 1932 and these people in 2017, except using the same name.

And you're basing this on what?

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by leereeves on Friday August 18, 2017 @09:37AM (#15045960)
The many years that passed between the two.
Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by mschuster91 on Friday August 18, 2017 @08:57AM (#15045652)
I was at G20. We did not initiate the violence, it was initiated by the police on Thursday by attacking the peaceful demonstration (which had even unmasked in the majority, as ordered by police).

Source: Witnessed everything from a bridge above the watercannons.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by DarkKomunalec on Friday August 18, 2017 @12:37PM (#15047671)
> which had even unmasked in the majority, as ordered by police

Honestly I find such an order repugnant. Anonymity is crucial to free speech, especially when protesting a group as powerful as G20. I'm sure no-one thinks they should be forced to report their political activity to their employer (at least judging from the outcry when the Trump administration requested all those IP addresses), but such an order is effectively exactly that.

Re:The ACLU Asks in 1934: Shall We Defend Free Speech for Na... by mschuster91 on Friday August 18, 2017 @01:36PM (#15048157)
In fact, masking is a felony in Germany and can land you in jail for up to one year.