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Re:Thai activist jailed under lese majeste laws for sharing ... by josteink on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:33AM (#15044269)
> You seem to be pretty sensitive about this issue.

I'm just an avid proponent of free speech, and almost daily now I see it under attack, probably by the most well-meaning people in the world.

Today it's neo-nazis whose rights we are happy to strip away. Next out may be some other "hateful" group... Let's say racists?

But according to what definition of racism? Some people seem to think that recognizing the positive in homogeneity is racist. Others seem to mistake the religion of Islam for a race, so that any criticism of Islam makes someone a racist. And what about the Jews? Are they a race? Or a culture? Or maybe a religion? All of those? Are you a racist if you criticize Israel, a state run by Jews? Some people genuinely says so!

So if we ban "racist" speech, treat it as non-protected... What do we actually ban? And can we trust that whatever we define as racist today, will be the same which is upheld by court tomorrow?

If anything, experience should tell us to be careful, or else we risk sliding down the slippery slope into general censorship.

And it has ofcourse always been done with the best of intentions.

So when I see free speech under attack, I speak up, because I think free speech is a too damned important thing to ruin over petty stuff like individuals feeling offended.

We already have laws against acts of murder, genocide, racism, and what not. We don't need to doubly criminalize it by making speech about it criminal too. That's just redundant and IMO does more harm than good.

Re:Thai activist jailed under lese majeste laws for sharing ... by oddlyaromatic on Sunday August 20, 2017 @01:56PM (#15059419)
> That's just redundant and IMO does more harm than good.

We can agree to disagree on that! I do agree about how squishy the boundaries can be and that it limiting speech is not to be done lightly. Speech vs acts is also fuzzy, since speech both is an act & can cause others to act. Besides the emotional/social harm racist speech causes, it fosters physical harm and financial harm. Even in an imperfect, flawed implementation, a restriction on such speech in public might provide more benefit than what it costs. Buuuuut there is speaking hatefully and then there is discussing ideas, and it would be good if courts could tell the difference.