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A comment on ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence Is Not Free Speech. Parent comment

Re:ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence ... by ece on Thursday August 17, 2017 @07:09PM (#15041906)
There is a point between a peaceful environmental or justice or equality protest and something as inherently violent as fascism or racism which was the mix in Charlottesville. Historically, fascism has always had an aspect of violence, and the same with racism. You simply cannot make the same case with either antifa or even black block, they are reactionary to fascism and oppression, if not racism respectively.

Black bloc has its roots opposing police violence, and this is consistent through their history, so I should have said "fascist, racist and anti-oppression rally"

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Re:ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence ... by ptaipale on Friday August 18, 2017 @02:03AM (#15043938)
Riots in Hamburg were not anti-oppression. They were anti-people and anti-city.
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Re:ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence ... by ece on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:04AM (#15044145)
The use of violence as a tactic while wrong isn't the same as violence-dependent ideologies like fascism and racism.

Both should be opposed in effective ways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/how-to-make-fun-o...

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Re:ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence ... by ptaipale on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:48AM (#15044324)
To me, antifa looks very much like a violence-dependent ideology.
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Re:ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence ... by ece on Friday August 18, 2017 @05:40AM (#15044789)
Violence in defense is also not the same as violence in offense. Defending yourself or your group is the right thing to do, but you can overreact and be counterproductive to your goals. Fascism and racism have no qualms about using offensive violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/antifa-left-wing-facti...

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Re:ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence ... by ptaipale on Friday August 18, 2017 @06:21AM (#15044955)
The G20 riots had absolutely no element of "violence in defense". Same applies to many cases.

I find it obscure how people go on justifying violence when it just happens to feel good with the political agenda.

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Re:ACLU of California Statement: White Supremacist Violence ... by ece on Friday August 18, 2017 @08:42AM (#15045575)
Violence doesn't work for a political agenda. It never has.

I am distinguishing between the historically offensive violent ideologies of nazis and racists, with the historically reactionary use of violence-as-a-tactic for antifa and black bloc.

The latters use of violence should be stopped, since it isn't helping in furthering the lefts political agenda. We wouldn't be talking about them at all if not for the rise of Hitler in the 1930s and Trump now.

These groups are not all the same level of threats to society. We need to focus on stopping the violence on all sides through better protesting permits apparently, and stopping the fascists and racists from gaining more political power.

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