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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by scriptkiddy on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:26PM (#15039436)
This is why I've always been in favor of Hybrid zoning. Hybrid structures are even better in my opinion. You can have a building where the bottom floors are commercial space and the upper floors are residential space.

Or you can zone an area where both commercial and residential development are permitted. Sure, living right next to a metal shop or something isn't the most pleasant thing, but it's really nice if you work at that metal shop.

This is something I saw being developed in my home town before I moved away. Along the main "downtown" strip they built several new 2 story structures where the bottom floors were shops like whole foods and such. On the top floor were various types of apartments. These particular apartments were a bit on the expensive side mostly due to it being a kind of swanky neighborhood right along the beach. That said, the concept can be expanded upon to apply to more affordable areas.

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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by Scaevolus on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:47PM (#15039639)
In Japan, zoning is hybrid (includes all zones up to a given level, so you can have mixed residential/commercial), and height limits are based on shadow projection instead of some city commissioner. It seems to work better than America's obsession with suburbanization and having all your housing in a giant clump a 10 minute drive from all your shops.

http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html

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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by scriptkiddy on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:57PM (#15039748)
Yep. Japan leads as a great example in this case.
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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by anarazel on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:51PM (#15039689)
> This is why I've always been in favor of Hybrid zoning. Hybrid structures are even better in my opinion. You can have a building where the bottom floors are commercial space and the upper floors are residential space.

Interestingly in the mission bay area there's a lot of unused commercial first floor space below residential apartment buildings. Some of it empty since the buildings went up 2012/2013.

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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by scriptkiddy on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:58PM (#15039762)
Mission bay San Diego?

Why do you think that is?

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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by anarazel on Thursday August 17, 2017 @03:36PM (#15040087)
San Francisco, sorry, should have mentioned that. I've really no clue, I'm kinda curious. They're still building new buildings with commercial ground level floors. Besides being empty and presumably not making money that way, they're also not particularly pretty...
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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by scriptkiddy on Thursday August 17, 2017 @05:04PM (#15041004)
I wonder if they're trying to predict the future. Perhaps they foresee business moving in in the future.
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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by mahyarm on Thursday August 17, 2017 @04:20PM (#15040543)
For CA, those housing units are negatives on the budget because of prop 13. It doesn't really matter where they are built.
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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by andrewjl on Friday August 18, 2017 @05:04PM (#15049714)
Yes prop 13 is basically the reason behind the differential. And because it is a political non-starter it's misplaced incentives are baked into the CA real estate market.
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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by scriptkiddy on Thursday August 17, 2017 @05:05PM (#15041012)
I would be strongly in favor of reforming that law then. I have not seen anything regarding it come up on any of the recent ballots.
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Re:A 2:15 Alarm, 2 Trains and a Bus Get Her to Work by 7 A.M by ericd on Thursday August 17, 2017 @07:29PM (#15042020)
A repeal is hugely unpopular amongst many, since it would destroy house values and immediately make houses unaffordable for many owners on borderline incomes. You could try phasing it in, but housing values would take the change into account quickly, depending on how it's structured. Would be great for renters looking to buy, but catastrophic for recent buyers. That said, property taxes are very important as a feedback loop to discourage nimbyism that drives up prices.
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