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Re:Woman Banned from US After Border Agent Finds Proof of Dr... by shakna on Thursday August 17, 2017 @07:01AM (#15035549)
> Arriving at the border doesn't mean you're inside. Until the country lets you in, you're still outside.

You do realise that "border" is not well-defined, right?

It's somewhere between 25-250 miles around the US... So when have you actually entered? The CBP certainly don't view it as having been processed through customs and immigration and regularly detain people who have been processed.

> all other laws in the USA apply to people after they're here.

When do they arrive?

You can spend your entire visit within the US's border region.

Re:Woman Banned from US After Border Agent Finds Proof of Dr... by koolba on Thursday August 17, 2017 @07:52AM (#15035852)
> You do realise that "border" is not well-defined, right?

> It's somewhere between 25-250 miles around the US... So when have you actually entered? The CBP certainly don't view it as having been processed through customs and immigration and regularly detain people who have been processed.

Again, I never said I agree with any of this. I'm saying this is how the current laws have been interpreted and upheld till now.

> When do they arrive?

After they've passed customs. Being inside the custom's office doesn't grant special rights.

Re:Woman Banned from US After Border Agent Finds Proof of Dr... by shakna on Thursday August 17, 2017 @08:17AM (#15036002)
> After they've passed customs.

I specifically said that is not the case, and BCP say that is not the case, and Congress do not say that is the case. (See U.S. v. Hernandez-Lopez, where 50 miles after passing through customs was still sufficient to allow for detainment by border patrol.)

It is an expectation of most travelers, but it is patently false.

> Again, I never said I agree with any of this.

Neither have I. The law is ambiguous, and practically without restraint. Even when there is restraint, the BCP regularly are not aware, and violate it.