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Re:Bitcoin Upgrade in November 2017 at Block 494,784 by andrewla on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:49PM (#15033086)
This is a very confusing view. If increasing block size were the sole goal, then the miners would switch to Bitcoin Cash and obviate the whole thing. Why the middle ground if they're looking to attack -- if 90% of the hash power switched to Bitcoin Cash then Bitcoin would be dead in the water.

The mining community seems split between strong segwit supporters and large block supporters. Segwit alone was not able to achieve consensus and would never have activated. Segwit2x was a compromise that conceded segwit in exchange for an increase in the block size.

If the goal of the miners is to increase centralization by increasing the block size, they had the opportunity to switch to Bitcoin Cash when it forked. Note that I don't completely buy the centralization argument, especially when we're talking about a 2MB -- it's not like 1MB is some magical number handed down by Ganesh. The main risk of the increase has always been the attendant dangers of a hard cork.

I'm a Bitcoin Cash supporter, but even I'll admit that Bitcoin Cash is a direct attack on Bitcoin (Core), that was not entirely successful, although more successful than opponents thought it could be.

Re:Bitcoin Upgrade in November 2017 at Block 494,784 by nullc on Thursday August 17, 2017 @03:20AM (#15034465)
Bitcoin Cash is at least honest (except perhaps for the confusing name)-- it isn't attempting to force anyone to use it. It trades as its own asset, and you can see that the market (so far) hasn't really wanted what its offering.

Beyond the deceptive name, Bitcoin Cash is at worst an honest difference in views. S2X on the other hand is being promoted with extreme levels of deception and dishonesty (like the content of this article, which states it's an upgrade rather than an incompatible replacement and claims that BU and Classic are compatible full nodes when they aren't any such thing: they don't implement any of the new under-specified S2X rules, ... they don't even implement segwit.)

> about a 2MB

You're not talking about 2MB-- 2MB is the size of blocks with segwit in effect. You're talking about 4 to 8 MB, which are above what prior research indicated was supportable even while considering a subset of considerations (such as initial synchronization), _and_ while not allowing any safety margin.

Re:Bitcoin Upgrade in November 2017 at Block 494,784 by andrewla on Thursday August 17, 2017 @09:44AM (#15036682)
Out of curiosity, can you point me to the prior research that you mention? Aside from a couple of blogs, notably [1], I haven't seen much formal research, much less anything showing bounds on supportability.

[1] https://rusty.ozlabs.org

Re:Bitcoin Upgrade in November 2017 at Block 494,784 by nadaviv on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @11:07PM (#15033500)
Bitcoin Cash had no chance to take over the Bitcoin brand. It was a move played out alone by Bitmain with no industry support. Segwit2x, OTOH, does have a chance the take over the Bitcoin brand (though not a very good one, IMO). This makes all the difference in the world.