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Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by thinkfurther on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:20PM (#15032902)
What about them? How were they not fascists, for all practical purposes?
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by rdtsc on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @10:51PM (#15033420)
> How were they not fascists, for all practical purposes?

What does fascists even mean these days?

Real fascists wounded my grandfather and he pushed them back all the way to Berlin. My teacher wintessed German soldiers raping and dismembering their childhood friend.

It seems these days I see a lot of "everyone I don't like is a fascist". Trump is a fascist, the barista this morning who made me a late instead of a cappuccino is a fascist, etc. Pol Pot committed terrible attrocities that doesn't make him a fascist, he was Communist.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by dashundchen on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @11:41PM (#15033654)
How about literal neonazis waving swastikas, calling for violence to exterminate Jews and blacks? Ones literally identify with Nazi facists.

Do you not accept a line where free speech threatening violence harms other free individuals? This isn't a thought excercise, the Daily Stormer is a group calling for the extermination of people based on race and religion.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by hutzlibu on Thursday August 17, 2017 @04:07PM (#15040380)
"Do you not accept a line where free speech threatening violence harms other free individuals? "

I don't.

I rather have people saying out loud, that they want to kill me, than saying it it in private and then just doing it ... so I - and others (like police) know whats going on, and can prepare for them.

If you forbid things to be said out loud, they will just boil hiddenly, until they explode.

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Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by ubernostrum on Thursday August 17, 2017 @12:21AM (#15033794)
I'm pretty OK with saying the marketplace of ideas has evaluated the ideals of Nazism and found no need remaining to preserve or protect them. We have, after all, tried the experiment of negotiating with Nazis, appeasing Nazis, and seeking peaceful coëxistence with Nazis, and we've learned what the resulting body count is.

People like to say "never again", but it's important to actually mean it.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by j9461701 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @02:31AM (#15034245)
The marketplace of ideas evaluated the ideals of Nazism, and rejected them by itself the first time. The fact we even call them Nazis is testament to that - it's an insulting reference to the fact National Socialists were uneducated country bumpkins. In battles of wits and words, Nazis lost every single time. So the idea we need to violate our ideals about freedom of speech, to defeat an enemy who never did stand a chance against us in that way, makes no sense. Do you really think our society's beliefs are truly so weak? That we are truly that vulnerable to pernicious memes?

Now, if you want to talk "never again" - it is not words that should frighten us, but violence. It was the brown shirts working the streets and savaging anyone who dared speak contrary to the Nazis that allowed them to obtain real power in the elections. It was the night of the long knives that saw the Nazi's staunchest critics in the Reichstag assassinated, and Hitler's control finally secured. It was the night of broken glass that normalized widespread violence against Jews, and set the stage for what was to come. It was violence that gave strength to Nazism, that let it rise to prominence, that let it overcome the Prussian elite who despised it and let it seize control of the country.

Nazism only succeeds by first putting its boot to the throat of the public, and threatening to crush the windpipe of any critic. Without that, it is just incoherent, anti-intellectual gibberish concocted by brutish thugs - and is torn apart in the market of ideas as a result. I fear a non-violent Nazi about as much as I fear a toothless wolf.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by ubernostrum on Thursday August 17, 2017 @04:10AM (#15034696)
I fear a non-violent Nazi about as much as I fear a toothless wolf.

Once you tolerate the "non-violent" Nazi, the violent ones won't be far behind. Nazism has proven that it cannot be tolerated, period. Not a little bit here and there. Not for a short time while we try to reason with them. Not anywhere, not ever, not in any way. If an amendment to the US Constitution came up to exempt Nazis from first-amendment protection I'd be for it in a heartbeat, because there is no longer any need to be hemming and hawing and talking about how on principle we need to let them have their little march and their website and... no. There is no such thing as a "safe" amount of Nazism.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by honestoHeminway on Thursday August 17, 2017 @06:27AM (#15035356)
The problem is not them beeing clearly nazis, its there opponents never stopping with the censor-ship and persecution once they get going.

Having a professor who finds intellectual differences by race in his social studys? Definatly a nazi. Not even worth studying, to search for a remedy, better to ignore a problem forever.

And this goes on and and on and on. So we concluded, that if your limitation tendencies of free speach are unlimited, they must be limited at the root. Thus the speech is free. They are not free to act. They are not free to maim, free to violate others rights. One is free to ignore them- (as large parts of the country have) until the sjw circus visited theire town and gave them attention and manpiulated a large neutral crowd into supporting them with the usual passiv-agressive discourse controll speach.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by ryan-allen on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:27PM (#15032936)
I guess not all murderers and murderous philosophies are created equal, huh?
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by nyolfen on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @11:09PM (#15033512)
how about the purpose of self-identification rather than convenient relabeling that i'm sure has nothing to do with your political allegiances?
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by thinkfurther on Thursday August 17, 2017 @04:43AM (#15034865)
Convenient relabeling? I beg your pardon? Aren't you just conveniently making up shit right now?