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Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by noir_lord on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @08:30PM (#15032646)
Yep and you lose (in a general sense) a convenient way of summarising a narrow and dangerous political ideology for a moments gratification in saying "Don't listen them, they are a Nazi".

I don't call someone a Nazi unless they are literally a Nazi, I don't call them a Fascist unless they are literally a Fascist and I don't call them a Communist because they think that maybe corporations shouldn't have the game rigged in their favour and own the pitch.

The part I really like is when I've been attacked by people with largely similar views to my own for sticking up for the rights of people to hold different views.

If you think your argument is stronger, then make the damn argument, don't resort to name calling and lazy "but he's a Foo and we all know that Foo's can never be right, stupid Foo's".

There are people on the hard-right in the UK I can't stand and there are some who have some valid points, you can accept the validity of some points without accepting the argument.

Also while I'm venting, I fucking hate "what aboutism", "Foo's have been doing <bad things>" "yeah but what about what the Bars did"...yeah both Foo and Bar can be cunts at the same time, We are talking about Foo in this instance, lets get to Bar's later.

My philosophy is "You have a right to think whatever you want, You don't have any rights to make me think it".

I'd rather have reasonable debate over a wide range of issues than furious debate over a narrow spectrum as Chomsky warned about in Manufacturing Consent (I think, I need to re-read that book).

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by kelnos on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:29PM (#15032950)
> My philosophy is "You have a right to think whatever you want, You don't have any rights to make me think it".

Sure, but what happens when people thinking whatever they want are able to affect national policy, even if they aren't a majority? You get the Trump administration... or worse.

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Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by Meekro on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @10:09PM (#15033199)
Since no one answered your question about how much due process is needed, let me take a stab at it. To paraphrase the article, due process requires that the rules be known in advance, and that they be applied non-arbitrarily to each accused violator. I would also add that the rules should be as specific as possible, since vague terms like "hateful ideology" can be applied to almost anything controversial.

So for example, if an organization was going to censor certain political websites, they should specify precisely what is not allowed: Advocating socialism? The killing of non-combatants? etc.

If the rules are only going to be applied at the whims of the Twitter mob, then that should be posted in advance: "You will be in violation if you advocate for race-based killing AND there are at least 10,000 tweets in a single day condemning you."

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by thinkfurther on Thursday August 17, 2017 @08:09AM (#15035949)
> I would also add that the rules should be as specific as possible, since vague terms like "hateful ideology" can be applied to almost anything controversial.

I didn't say "Yup, hateful ideology", I said "Yup, Nazis."

They run around with torches and swastikas and celebrate murder. What's controversial about that, and what does Twitter have to do with anything? I don't use Twitter. It's very telling how people constantly drag in shit like that to bloat and pad. Face Hannah Arendt, face Sebastian Haffner, face Erich Fromm; but your ignorance and shallowness will not keep me from shaking you and any other comers off.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by noir_lord on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @08:42PM (#15032685)
Pretty much or at least an organisation that adheres to all or the preponderance of the tenets of the ideology.

While I might suspect the Stormfronters would like to do that I don't know that they would, authoritarian fascists, sure, Nazi's not really.

Maybe it's because I like history and I've read a lot about WWII and the factors that led up to it but I'm careful with the world Nazi.

Been a race supremacist doesn't mean Nazi because logically a Black Panther would also be a Nazi then.

Been hard-right doesn't make you a Nazi because then the Republican party would be Nazi's.

Been pro-eugenics doesn't make you a Nazi because then the government of the UK, US and USSR where Nazi (in the early 20th century).

Been pro-nationalism doesn't make you a Nazi because then well half the governments on the planet would be Nazi's.

Been a race supremacist, hard right and pro-eugenics and nationalist just might.

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by dguaraglia on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @10:15PM (#15033236)
So, essentially there's no definition outside of "participated in the German SS during World War 2" that you will accept? Even if the people called themselves "neo-Nazis" and talked about "the JQ" openly?

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/896860224971128836

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by Frondo on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:21PM (#15032910)
The Daily Stormer self-identifies as neo-Nazi.

If they think they're following in Nazi footsteps, does that count for anything in your book?

If not, then what would?

Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by thinkfurther on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @08:49PM (#15032728)
Tell me what "the ideology" is then.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by nemothekid on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:20PM (#15032901)
Did you even finish reading his post?

    >[Being] a race supremacist, hard right and pro-eugenics and nationalist just might.
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:47PM (#15033074)
Can you please change your formatting on this? It's breaking HN for me (Chrome on Win10)
Re:Why We Terminated Daily Stormer by thinkfurther on Thursday August 17, 2017 @04:33AM (#15034805)
Nothing about being German in there? Nothing about hating Jews? Or any of the other things that the Nazis espoused just because they were handy, and which had nothing to do with "the ideology" because there isn't one?

This is people talking to me about grammar who don't even know what a letter is. Read "Origins of Totalitarianism". Read Sebastian Haffner. Everybody is so interested in the subject, so knowledgeable about it, and so against Nazis.

The proof is in the pudding. You cannot disprove my with your straw men and having no clue about the nature of Nazism and related diseases, you can strike yourself from my phone book is all.