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Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by richmarr on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @06:44PM (#15031967)
You may well have a point that people too readily make scathing assessments of 'men' as a group.

Bad Thing A doesn't justify Bad Thing B though, does it.

As for the high burden of proof, I invite you to suggest a model that estimates the effect size we should observe in gender representation in tech companies based on Damore's 'biological' differences

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by weberc2 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @11:28AM (#15037596)
>Bad Thing A doesn't justify Bad Thing B though, does it.

No, but I don't think stating an observation about a group as politely as possible is a bad thing. It's not like saying "women may be less interested in tech" or "diversity quotas can lead to bar-lowering" are even unflattering or absolute observations. We just live in a culture of professional victims who are ever-primed to take offense at anything. The moral thing isn't to critique Damore's communication--better communication wouldn't have helped; only capitulation. The moral thing to do is to oppose the victimhood culture.

> As for the high burden of proof, I invite you to suggest a model that estimates the effect size we should observe in gender representation in tech companies based on Damore's 'biological' differences

I don't have that model, and I never claimed to. Moreover, no one needs a model to point out inconsistencies in the current model, especially inconsistencies which are mutually harmful.

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by richmarr on Thursday August 17, 2017 @06:41PM (#15041724)
> I don't have that model...

No. Nobody else does either.

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by weberc2 on Thursday August 17, 2017 @10:57PM (#15043162)
Scott Alexander has a pretty good one in the link referenced in the post. But why spend time investigating when challenging the discrimination hypothesis can cost you your job, reputation, etc.
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by richmarr on Friday August 18, 2017 @03:00AM (#15044129)
> Scott Alexander has a pretty good one in the link referenced in the post.

I must have missed where he proposes a model. By all means point that out. Specifically one that can predict how many women should work at Google in California, and in Boulder, and in New York, and in London, and in Mumbai... year by year.

> *But why spend time investigating when challenging the discrimination hypothesis can cost you your job, reputation, etc.

Challenging a hypothesis didn't cost Damore his job. Undermining his own colleagues by promoting negative stereotypes cost Damore his job. That was totally unnecessary to his argument... he could have just based it on CS graduate numbers and left the 'biology' out of it.