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Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by brenschluss on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @04:54AM (#15025957)
'Fair & transparent' and 'blind' are two different things, and neither are subsets of each other.

A 'blind' hiring process _can_ be akin to, faced with a densely connected graph, focusing only on the most immediate causal relationships.

I do agree that 'fudge factor's are clumsy at best, where all candidates are hired, and then an arbitrary number is added to candidates based on race/gender/etc.

However, 'fudge factors' have already existed in history. For a completely different example outside of hiring practices: redlining[1] was an explicit practice of denying services/mortgages to city neighborhood based on its racial makeup.

So, what now? There have been decades of racist 'fudge-factoring' in real estate and urban development. Is the right approach to fudge-factor the other way? Or is it to be 'blind' and to look purely at the financials of each individual/organization?

Obviously this is a different scenario than hiring, and cannot necessarily be directly applied back onto hiring practices. However, we can separate out a) one way to correct for historical/systematic 'fudge factors' from b) whether or not this can apply to hiring.

I would argue that yes, you need fudge factors to correct previous problems.

It should be fair and transparent, I agree, but it will not be very clear-cut. In complex systems (densely connected graphs of causality), the only clear-cut processes are creating problems, or ignoring them. Fixing complex problems are always messy.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by richmarr on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @03:31PM (#15030442)
> 'Fair & transparent' and 'blind' are two different things, and neither are subsets of each other.

This is true if you consider a single subject, but no longer true if you consider different stakeholders and their needs separately.

(Disclaimer, this describes part of a service we provide)

Specific to your point, in a hiring system modelled like ours:

* Employees assessing a particular hire can operate blind (or near-blind in the case of interviews).

* Hiring managers can have access to identifying information (but by default just see aggregated scoring data).

* D&I managers can see aggregated demographic stats.

* Candidates see their own data & scoring info