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Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by angersock on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:56PM (#15021764)
Are the numbers of intersex individuals large enough to actually matter? And how many of them are fertile?
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by vertex-four on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:03PM (#15021832)
Intersex traits cover a fairly broad range of things, and there's a reasonable argument that up to 1.7% of people are intersex. Visibly atypical genitals are fairly rare (1 in 1500 births or so), on the other hand, but don't cover the entire range of intersex traits.
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by angersock on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:06PM (#15021860)
What sort of things typically fall into that range other than atypical genitals?
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by vertex-four on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:09PM (#15021898)
Complicated, but simplest explanation is from wikipedia:

In biological terms, sex may be determined by a number of factors present at birth, including:

the number and type of sex chromosomes; the type of gonads—ovaries or testicles; the sex hormones; the internal reproductive anatomy (such as the uterus in females); and the external genitalia.

People whose characteristics are not either all typically male or all typically female at birth are intersex.

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by angersock on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:18PM (#15021992)
Sure, but what are the rates for things like that? And in the case of different chromosomes, what are the variations that still result in a fertile and "normal" human being?

My concern is that people are attempting to use the existence of intersex folks (at widely varying claimed incidence rates) to make faulty arguments about what is and is not normal physiology.

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by vertex-four on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:33PM (#15022178)
As I said, up to 1.7% according to at least one (albeit rather criticised) study - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11534012

The criticisms are more about terminology than the core argument though - they mostly argue that "intersex" should only cover a small number of conditions that result in an arbitrarily substantial differentiation from a "normal" male or female, rather than any significant differentiation. So if the question is about sexual dimorphism, those criticisms are mostly irrelevant.

But here's a question: why is it important that they can reproduce? Gay men and women are unlikely to reproduce either, so should we ignore them in policy-making too? Are gay people abnormal?

Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by danharaj on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:59PM (#15021789)
It was a question about categories. Are there two categories of gender / sex? The answer is no. These people exist. They have entire lives which are as meaningful as any other. Why wouldn't they matter?
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by angersock on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:03PM (#15021831)
When it comes to policymaking, any prudent work requires the analysis of how many people would be impacted. It's not enough to just say "well there's like 100 people in a population of 300M we should change everything just for them".
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by tiles on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:22PM (#15022041)
The OP asked what evidence exists that gender and sex are non-binary. It's in reference to the words someone said in the article, not hypothetical policymaking.
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by angersock on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:32PM (#15022168)
There are degrees of "are", right, implicit in such a statement.
Re:Ask a Female Engineer: Thoughts on the Google Memo by jasonwatkinspdx on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:01PM (#15021819)
Every single one of them matters and deserves the same dignity and respect you expect for yourself.