Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by tboyd47 on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:35PM
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It doesn't seem that the skills in that link are relevant to this study:
> The non-cognitive score is based on behavioral questions in a 20-minute interview with a trained psychologist. On the basis of the interview, the draftee is scored along four separate dimensions (see Mood et al. (2012)): (i) social maturity, (ii) psychological energy (e.g., focus and perseverance), (iii) intensity (e.g., activation without external pressure) and (iv) emotional stability (e.g., tolerance to stress). There is also an overall non-cognitive score on a Stanine scale, which ranges from 1 to 9.
Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by Animats on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:01PM
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They seem to define "non-cognitive skills" as "social skills". Not manual skills, such as those needed for carpentry. This is confusing. Is this a translation from Swedish?
Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by wutbrodo on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:15PM
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Not just social skills: for example, intensity and stress tolerance. I think "emotional skills" would be a better way to describe what they're getting at.
Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by etiam on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @03:40AM
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Yes, it's confusing and no, it isn't due to a translation.
There is quite a bit of other unnecessarily convoluted jargon and grammar in the report as well, so I think it's just that one or more of the authors has misguided ideals about academic writing style.
Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by coldtea on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @05:56AM
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>Not manual skills, such as those needed for carpentry
Those skills are still cognitive. You need to know what you're doing to do carpentry. It's not like your hand moves by itself.
Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by cookiecaper on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:43PM
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To clarify, this quote (posted by tboyd47) is the text describing "non-cognitive skills" from the body of the linked PDF. It seems somewhat related to the concepts shared on Udemy, but it's obviously better to use the definition provided in the paper itself.
Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by svachalek on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @07:45PM
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In terms of these I find that (ii), (iii), and (iv) do seem to fit the term "non-cognitive" in that they're things we build up with experience and practice but don't really think about consciously. But social maturity surprises me, perhaps it's a technical term that means something different than I think, because at least for me maturing took quite a bit of thought. The "overall" score seems kind of mysteriously thrown in.
Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by hasenj on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @01:51AM
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Wait, how are problem solving and critical thinking not cognitive skills?
Re:The Rising Return to Non-Cognitive Skill [pdf]
by graphitezepp on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:44PM
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Thanks, I initially took it to mean soft skills more along the lines of interpersonal relations.
https://blog.udemy.com/non-cognitive-skills/
Once I understood what they were I realize that I have encountered the behavior in my life anecdotally. Also, I realize the ones that I am deficient in.
EDIT: The study has a definition that I missed when reading it. See tboyd47's comment below.