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Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by leesalminen on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @10:00AM (#15018207)
> The lunatic with a rifle is not representative of Sanders or his supporters

And nazis aren't representative of Trump or his supporters. To say otherwise would insinuate that _half the country_ are nazis.

Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by freehunter on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @10:31AM (#15018481)
>And nazis aren't representative of Trump or his supporters.

It’s actually not clear if this is the case. It took three days and a ton of media pressure to get Trump to say he condemns Nazis, and then he immediately said that he only made the statement because “bad people” in the media forced him to.

A very logical conclusion is that Trump actually does support Nazis.

Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by leesalminen on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @11:20AM (#15019034)
I'm not sure I agree that is a logical conclusion.

I think it's just as possible that not all facts were available on Saturday afternoon. Once the facts were available on Monday, the President made a definitive statement.

Also, since when did days become inclusive? I count 2 days (48 hours) between noon Saturday and noon Monday. Another media concoction.

Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by jacquesm on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:39PM (#15020447)
Check the past and see how long it usually took Trump to make incredibly strong statements when it suited him politically. Including the denouncing of events that never actually happened...
Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by justin66 on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @12:28PM (#15019672)
> And nazis aren't representative of Trump or his supporters.

Putting aside the issue of his supporters, a charitable reading of Trump (whose true beliefs are well-concealed by ineloquence and constant displays of self-contradiction and dishonesty) would be that authoritarianism, nationalism, xenophobia, and many other fascist traits resonate strongly with him and he therefore feels some unconscious reluctance to criticize these guys who ought to be really, really easy for him to denounce by name. That's the charitable reading, which is consistent with him not really believing in their stated goals.

The behavior the press harps on - Trump being oddly appreciative of the qualities of "strongman" politicians when he speaks of them - is a common enough talking point, but I was shocked when Trump told the mass-murderer Duterte he was doing a great job. At some point the question of whether Trump is an amoral, dangerous idiot or an evil, dangerous idiot starts to feel a little academic.

Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by jacquesm on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:40PM (#15020464)
> At some point the question of whether Trump is an amoral, dangerous idiot or an evil, dangerous idiot starts to feel a little academic.

That's precisely it. There is a line where incompetence becomes malice but once you're far enough across the line it no longer matters where the line itself is.

Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by fhood on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @10:13AM (#15018325)
go look up the percentages on ideological crimes in America. You'll find right wing > muslim > left wing
Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by leesalminen on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @11:15AM (#15018975)
That doesn't seem to be entirely true.

According to PBS, "far-right extremists tend to be more active in committing homicides, yet Islamist extremists tend to be more deadly."

Are we comparing percentage of deaths or number of events?

Personally, I think both sides are fueled by religious beliefs. Their hate is cut from the same cloth.

[0] http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/analysis-deadly-threat-f...

Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by fhood on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @11:49AM (#15019305)
I was only referring to number of crimes committed
Re:Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council by leesalminen on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @12:20PM (#15019607)
Thank you for clarifying your original point.

I don't think that 8 right wing extremism homicide events over the course of 2 years shows that _half the country_ are right wing extremists.

Just like how 5 Islamist extremist homicide events over the same period of time don't show that all Muslims are extremists.