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Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by mattmanser on Saturday August 12, 2017 @07:30PM (#15000642)
I've been trying to use DDG for the last 6 months. Ultimately I'd say 40% of my queries I now just force google with '!g' instead. I was quite bullish on it 6 months ago, but must admit that after 6 months, anything complex I !g straightaway.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by StavrosK on Saturday August 12, 2017 @07:41PM (#15000683)
I've had the opposite experience. I've been using it for many months and I only !g code searches or searches where DDG's results were disappointing, most of which end up disappointing on Google as well.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by mattmanser on Saturday August 12, 2017 @08:16PM (#15000808)
I find that hard to believe if you're a programmer, as any complex programming question !g is almost always better.

As well as anything local. If you search for a fairly common venue name, google will always get you a much better result.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by et1337 on Saturday August 12, 2017 @08:31PM (#15000855)
I've also used DuckDuckGo for years now, often for programming questions, and the handful of times I've resorted to !g it was 50/50 as to whether Google had better results.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by aabaker99 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @12:11AM (#15001434)
It's given that Google will give better search results. They track you.

I have the opposite experience regarding programming questions though. I thought that part of the initial appeal of DDG was that it handled queries that involved syntax or symbols better. I suppose these types of queries may not be that "complex" though. I admit I often query just to verify the API or to check how to do a common task in a language I am less familiar with.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by jhasse on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:22AM (#15001917)
> It's given that Google will give better search results. They track you.

IIRC they won't if you search via !g on ddg.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by StavrosK on Sunday August 13, 2017 @11:02AM (#15003159)
I find that hard to believe. DDG just redirects you to Google, it doesn't do anything fancier.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by jhasse on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:35PM (#15004503)
You're right.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by saywatnow on Saturday August 12, 2017 @10:23PM (#15001152)
> I find it hard to believe if you're a programmer

Some people work better with reference documentation, books and their brain than SO "answers".

Google for "complex programming questions" is laughable and honestly a bit insulting to the profession.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by stinos on Sunday August 13, 2017 @04:06AM (#15002041)
SO "answers"

That is also laughable and more than a bit insulting:

- most of the answers (I encountered) are in fact proper and correct answers because bascially it's a peer-reviewed environment, so no need for those snarky quatation marks. I, and many others, have spent hours and hours writing down good answers, and learning quite a bit while doing so.

- DDG/Google/... know about SO so it is often possible to get these answers way faster than when using the reference documentation, and your brain cannot change much about it

- you'll find answers which are nowhere to be found in the reference documentation - I assume your point is that with enough reference documentation and thinking any complex programming problem can be tackled. Well, yeah I guess, but it takes way more time than needed and anecdotally I have seen code written by people thinking that and it was one horrid mess. Mostly because stuff like 'good practices' and insight in design principles and patterns and whatnot isn't found in reference documentation. While via frequenting SO (and similar, before that existed) you pick up this stuff automatically and it makes you reflect on programming which in turn makes you better. If you use your brain, that is.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by tu6 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @12:11PM (#15003435)
I have been using zealdocs for a couple months now. Which is basically offline official docs/tutorials/examples my Google and SO usage has dropped quite a bit. If you read the Stackoverflow post on why they discontinued their documentation feature - one of the reasons was official docs aren't as broken as ppl think.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by StavrosK on Monday August 14, 2017 @09:15AM (#15008344)
Damn, thank you for that! Zealdocs is fantastic, I've been looking for something like that for a while, mostly for coding on flights!
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by viral_krieger on Sunday August 13, 2017 @01:11AM (#15001623)
Why is Googling a programming question insulting to the profession?

I find it laughable that you think there is something wrong with looking for resources relating to complex programming questions. I can't tell you how many times Googling a niche and complex problem instantly solved my issue. Sometimes SO is the only site that has fixes for bugs in the program you're using or mistakes in the documentation.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by tu6 on Sunday August 13, 2017 @12:20PM (#15003480)
Well Google is pretty shit if the same keyword combos occur in multiple complex answers. It can even be a waste of time/send you off on a wild goose chase VS just reading a book. Google benefits from the fact that most people's attention spans and patience has dropped.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by Gracana on Sunday August 13, 2017 @10:01AM (#15002931)
What really killed google for me was their gradual transition to showing results that are the most popular thing that's merely related to your search terms. Whereas DDG wouldn't show me many good results for some searches, google shows me endless links to high-profile stuff that is explicitly not what I asked for. Contrived example: search for "vegan meals", and google goes "vegan, hmm.. oh, MEALS! Yes! Here's everything I know about MEALS! Here's some steaks you should buy!" The only way I can get good results out of google these days is to perform the search, then switch it to verbatim mode.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by StavrosK on Sunday August 13, 2017 @12:00PM (#15003401)
Yeah, I don't understand why they feel the need to ignore whole terms.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by kerkeslager on Saturday August 12, 2017 @09:59PM (#15001098)
This is taking "but it's so convenient to give up my privacy!" to a new level. Now it's "but if I don't give up my privacy can't micro-optimize my life!"?

For framework configuration questions just search Stack(Overflow|Exchange) directly. For local results append the name of your city.

Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by mattmanser on Sunday August 13, 2017 @07:16PM (#15005526)
Generally speaking SO's search (and reddit, and HN, etc.) are far worse than Google's.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by earenndil on Monday August 14, 2017 @05:07AM (#15007395)
Try using startpage. It's essentially a proxy for google, but since lots of people are using it, it has no way to connect the searches. And by using it, you're actually improving its privacy by increasing the number of different people whose traffic comes to google from startpage.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by hiq on Sunday August 13, 2017 @04:53AM (#15002142)
You can at least use !s (startpage) instead.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by dorfsmay on Sunday August 13, 2017 @03:03AM (#15001862)
What about using google in an incognito tab?
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by thestepafter on Sunday August 13, 2017 @09:29AM (#15002824)
When you open the incognito tab it is clearly stated that incognito only stops information from being saved locally.
Re:Big brother is here, and his name is Facebook by dorfsmay on Sunday August 13, 2017 @10:52PM (#15006340)
Information saved locally is the main way sites such as google identify you (cookies mainly).

If you open an incognito window for all your searches, do not signin and close it right after, search engine will not associate your searches with you.

This is not enough to protect you from an evil company or government, but will affect which ads are presented to you, your search results, and should prevent your name from being associated with those searches should that search company date be compromised.