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Re:What is it like to understand advanced mathematics? by vinchuco on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:30PM (#14998876)
But it's your fault no one can bring you this bucket: You want 'negative apple' entities but ask for (what is interpreted as) a negative number of apple entities.

A key distinction here is that one has a defined implementation. Making that distinction is philosophy. Talking within the framework of implementation is mathematics.

Re:What is it like to understand advanced mathematics? by KGIII on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:42PM (#14998924)
Right. It's very much a philosophy.

And it's not really my fault that nobody can bring me negative apples. It's not like I made the rules! Sheesh! ;-)

Re:What is it like to understand advanced mathematics? by vinchuco on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:47PM (#14998941)
You did! You posed the question!

I just don't see the value in conflating both terms (philos and math) when there's a distinction pointed out above.

Re:What is it like to understand advanced mathematics? by KGIII on Saturday August 12, 2017 @02:51PM (#14999322)
No, I didn't make the rules. Reality is what reality is. They don't let me decide the rules for reality. That's probably for the best.

You can't bring me a bucket of negative apples. You can bring representations of future apples, or something like that. However, negative apples do not actually exist. In all these years, nobody has brought me a basket of negative apples.

Re:What is it like to understand advanced mathematics? by vinchuco on Saturday August 12, 2017 @03:00PM (#14999377)
I don't contest that. But you have a choice to frame your question in a way conducive to a valid answer. But someone who doesn't do that is likely unworthy of negative apples anyways. :)