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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by rpiguy on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:40PM (#14981483)
I will concede the post could have been more civil and I apologize.

However, it is extremely substantive, an entire doctoral thesis could be written on secular religions/orthodoxies and their illiberal and authoritarian nature and is directly relevant to the discussion of the reaction to the Google memo.

Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by sctb on Thursday August 10, 2017 @01:43PM (#14982164)
Substantiveness and civility aren't unrelated: a lack of the latter undermines the former. A doctoral thesis would be expressed quite differently, for example.
Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by rpiguy on Thursday August 10, 2017 @02:19PM (#14982558)
Yes substantiveness and civility are related. However, making a point in 500 characters vs. 20,000+ characters lends itself to some brusqueness.

I agree however, that lack of civility can undermine your argument. See the very uncivil comments below from Damore's fellow Google employees, including managers. They undermine their argument and literally create a toxic and scary work environment.

I abbreviated the names, but these were all public statements. I just don't want to run afoul of any HN rules regarding naming names.

CB: "You know there are certain "alternative views, including different political views" which I do not want people to feel safe to share here... You can believe women or minorities are unqualified all you like — I can't stop you — but if you say it out loud, then you deserve what's coming to you. Yes, this is "silencing". I intend to silence these views... Take your false equivalence and your fake symmetry, and shove them hard up where the sun doesn't shine."

KB: "I am considering creating a public-inside-google document of "people who make diversity difficult"...which calls out those googlers who repeatedly made public statements that are unsupportive of diversity... Things I'm still pondering: should inclusion on the list require something resembling a trial? should people be removed after some period of time if they start behaving better?

CW: "One of the great things about Google's internal communication mechanism... is that, as a manager, I can easily go find out if I really want to work with you."

KE: "Your reply...ignores the many women Googlers who have expressed the frustration they feel as a result of this. F* off. Thanks for using your real name here, though. Makes it easier to update my spreadsheet."

Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by rtx on Thursday August 10, 2017 @04:40PM (#14984008)
What's more scary someday people like Larry and Sundar will step down. Then these people will have all the Google's power.