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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by vasilipupkin on Thursday August 10, 2017 @08:27AM (#14978914)
To be clear, a private company in the US cannot stop you from discussing anything at work but reserves the right to fire you at will, including for discussions it deems unproductive. Discussing politics in polite company in the US is indeed discouraged by culture. I personally think that's a good thing as people on opposite sides of the spectrum often can't agree on a basic set of facts, which makes discussions pointless. Do supporters of far right parties in Scandinavian countries often discuss politics with supporters of left wing parties at dinner ?
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by humanrebar on Thursday August 10, 2017 @08:35AM (#14978969)
Sometimes the point of the conversations is reminding each other that we're decent and intelligent humans. Giving up on engaging because you haven't converted people is giving up too soon. Sometimes the changed mind is in how we value political opponents, not whether we agree with them.
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by vasilipupkin on Thursday August 10, 2017 @09:42AM (#14979514)
Yes, but you can't have a political discussion that is productive if there is a fundamental disagreement about the facts
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by humanrebar on Thursday August 10, 2017 @10:10AM (#14979844)
Sure you can. Sometimes it's essential so you can agree to disagree properly.
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by raarts on Friday August 11, 2017 @02:14AM (#14987037)
Not all countries have two-party systems.
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by vasilipupkin on Friday August 11, 2017 @10:34AM (#14990026)
Not sure I understand what that has to do with my original comment
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by tchaffee on Friday August 11, 2017 @08:38AM (#14989001)
> To be clear, a private company in the US cannot stop you from discussing anything at work but reserves the right to fire you at will, including for discussions it deems unproductive.

There is zero difference in practice. If I'm fired and can't come to work anymore, the discussion has been stopped, no? Happy to be corrected if I'm missing something.

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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by vasilipupkin on Friday August 11, 2017 @10:33AM (#14990004)
You are missing the fact that private workplace is not a free speech forum. It's just a private place of business. You can do what you want but employment is at will. By all means, you should be free to discuss whatever you like, but a company is perfectly free to fire you so you have more time to continue your discussions elsewhere
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by tchaffee on Friday August 11, 2017 @02:48PM (#14992972)
> You are missing the fact that private workplace is not a free speech forum

I am? I never claimed any such thing.

My question is clear, no? Is there any practical difference between employers (supposedly) not being able to restrict your speech at work, but being able to fire you for whatever they want?

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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by vasilipupkin on Saturday August 12, 2017 @12:14AM (#14996428)
They can't restrict your speech in general,but at work they can and should do whatever they want. Practically, there is a difference. Unless they are willing to fire you, they can't stop you - get the difference ? For example, if you are so valuable that they are not willing to fire you, then they can't stop you. And if you are not, perhaps you should concentrate on work at work
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by tchaffee on Saturday August 12, 2017 @01:01PM (#14998727)
I get your point now. Thanks. I was thinking about this in terms of the average employee. If the boss says you shouldn't talk about something and you want to keep your job, most people will begrudgingly do what they think they need to.
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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by jovdg on Friday August 11, 2017 @02:16AM (#14987049)
I understand that in the USA you are usually either "left" or "right", but in the EU there are a many "center" parties. Would this not make a substantial difference?

If you put two opposite extremists of moderate intelligence together to talk, you will probably not hear a great conversation. (This is not only true for politics.)

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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by vasilipupkin on Friday August 11, 2017 @10:31AM (#14989985)
Democratic Party and Republican Party in the US are coalitions of different types of people. We are talking about discussing politics when people strongly disagree being pointless. Presumably, supporters of different center parties in Europe don't disagree that much
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