Outraged about the Google diversity memo?

Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by madez on Thursday August 10, 2017 @05:32AM (#14977990)

I think it's bad to write "woman, or black man, or muslim'. Being a woman or a black man is something that is determined before birth. Your religious views are adopted after birth. That's why I think it is bad to speak of muslim people, as if that defined them the most. That leads to seperation and distrust, we-against-them. Your sex and skin colour is given, your religion can change.

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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by humanrebar on Thursday August 10, 2017 @10:42AM (#14980182)

> That's why I think it is bad to speak of muslim people, as if that defined them the most.

Lots of people primarily identify by their religious affiliations. I think that's fair.

> Your sex and skin colour is given, your religion can change.

Ask a Muslim which will change first: their gender, their skin color, or whether Mohammed was Allah's prophet.

All that being said, your point about religion and race being separate categories is fair and well taken.

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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by madez on Thursday August 10, 2017 @11:41AM (#14980775)

> Ask a Muslim which will change first: their gender, their skin color, or whether Mohammed was Allah's prophet.

You are generalizing in a way that will create animosity. There are liberal people which identify as muslims.

Even though most religious people identify themselves by their religious affiliations, not all do, and not everbody is religious.

I think religion is a cancerous meme, that we shouldn't pay respect to. I don't even want to be asked whether I am religious, nor what religion.

My name allows a funny pun in that regard: I'm Christian, but I'm not.

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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by humanrebar on Thursday August 10, 2017 @12:12PM (#14981128)

> You are generalizing in a way that will create animosity

> I think religion is a cancerous meme

My underlying point was that people with faith don't see their faith as a choice about the existence and character of their god (or other non-deist beliefs). It's not objective or accurate to say religion is different because it's a choice.

If anyone is offended by my point, I would challenge them to rethink their assumptions about how tolerant and accepting they are.

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Re:Outraged about the Google diversity memo? by madez on Thursday August 10, 2017 @06:51PM (#14985100)

I wouldn't say that your point necessarily offends anybody. My point is that it might be not clever to present it like that. One way to get rid of enemies is to befriend them.

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