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Re:The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science by snowwrestler on Thursday August 10, 2017 @01:41AM (#14976780)
What do you think is the right number of people to be forced to leave a job they like and are good at, because of harassment?

I tend to think "zero," but you do you, I guess.

Anyway...

https://www.elephantinthevalley.com

http://www.kaporcenter.org/tech-leavers/

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/technology/women-entre...

Etc.

Re:The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science by dsfjksdf on Thursday August 10, 2017 @08:24AM (#14978898)
Thank you for the links. I don't think they are as convincing as you make them out to be (the second does not even talk about women specifically), but I don't have the time to discuss it further in all detail.

Harassment is bad, but I don't think "unwanted sexual advances" should categorically count as harassment. It all depends (of course some advances can be harassment, but just because some attraction is unrequited it is not harassment) - it is human to be attracted and fall in love.

Re:The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science by snowwrestler on Thursday August 10, 2017 @09:59AM (#14979699)
Unwanted sexual advances in the workplace are always harassment.

There's a big difference between:

"Hey would you like to go grab lunch with me sometime?" (ok if not overly persistent)

vs

"You're hot, want to have sex with me sometime?" (never ok at work)

And I would suggest some introspection about why your bar to be convinced is so high. The persistent and sometimes aggressive disbelief that women face from male colleagues when they complain about harassment is a big part of the industry problem.

Re:The Google memo isn’t sexist or anti-diversity, it’s science by dsfjksdf on Thursday August 10, 2017 @10:39AM (#14980132)
As I said, it depends on the circumstances, but I am sure a lot of "hey would you like to grab lunch sometime" end up as a number in those harassment statistics.

It is also a very one-sided narrative, omitting the advantages that being attractive also brings.