Re:Cal State will no longer require math and English placeme...
by matt_wulfeck on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @11:15AM
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> If the tests are flawed, fix the tests, don't eliminate them.
The tests are fine and we know it. The students are bad and so are their parents, who were also bad students.
Source: I was a bad student who had to change a lot in life. Magically when my attitude towards school changed so did my grades. Teachers can only do so much yet burden almost all of the blame.
Re:Cal State will no longer require math and English placeme...
by RonanTheGrey on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @11:40AM
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> Magically when my attitude towards school changed so did my grades.
Funny how that works.
"Why won't you learn?!" "It doesn't matter to me!" is not a recipe for success.
I appreciate what you said. Made me want to jump out of my chair and clap. But then I would have been escorted to the loony bin, so...
Re:Cal State will no longer require math and English placeme...
by jacalata on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @01:32PM
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Why do you believe that having a test administered by the school is the only way to identify students needing remedial help? The school is arguing that they can do a better job of identification by using existing grades and test scores. What's your evidence against this argument?
> allow students to have a shot at taking actual credit courses rather than being forced into noncredit remedial classes they may not actually need
If the placement tests are done well, they would indicate that which remedial classes the students may need. If the tests are flawed, fix the tests, don't eliminate them.
While putting them into 101 classes may help them, it slows down the rest of the class -- the students who are up-to-speed on the skills required for the class get less attention spent on them because more focus must be placed on the students who didn't pass placement.