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Re:The Kolmogorov option by foldr on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @06:36AM (#14967230)
>If I understand things correctly the argument by feminists etc is something along the lines of "there are no differences between men and women, and thus any difference in outcome must be due to discrimination.

Really? Could you give a reference to anyone ever actually making this argument?

Re:The Kolmogorov option by znfi on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @08:55AM (#14968175)
I'm not sure I can provide an actual quote on this and was more my understanding of what people are arguing, I could be mistaken, I'm not sure. But it would seem to me that accepting something of that form as true would be necessary in order to believe in many fairly standard feminist/whatever claims.

In particular, the controversy surrounding Damore's "manifesto" seems very hard to understand if most people believe that there are differences between the genders that could affect the "outcome"/gender gap in tech/whatever. If this in fact what everyone thinks, then why are so many people upset that someone wrote a document saying this is the case? The whole thing should to be a no-issue? (I guess some of the points of Aaronson's original blog post might be applicable here. But I'm not sure that really improves the situation...)

Secondly, if everyone agrees that there are differences between the genders that could affect for example the gender gap in tech, I have a very hard time understanding how one can routinely blame more or less any difference between the genders on discrimination or some such.

Re:The Kolmogorov option by foldr on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @01:23PM (#14971469)
>seems very hard to understand if most people believe that there are differences between the genders that could affect the "outcome"/gender gap in tech/whatever.

You're changing your original summary of the argument by adding the qualification "that could affect the outcome". The whole question at issue is whether the differences that there are between men and women would be expected to have a significant effect on outcomes in tech.

Re:The Kolmogorov option by Banthum on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @07:46AM (#14967608)
Professor Nicholas Matte states it in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kasiov0ytEc

Not a really exotic belief in the core social justice circles.

Though advocates tend to avoid stating it outright, since it's so easy to attack and so ridiculous. So it's generally left implicit. E.g. They'll just say, "X field is only 30% women, we must fight the sexism that causes this", leaving it as an unstated assumption.

Re:The Kolmogorov option by foldr on Wednesday August 09, 2017 @01:22PM (#14971460)
Could you provide a quote, rather than linking to a 50 minute video?