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Re:Venezuela’s descent into dictatorship shows democracy can... by alkonaut on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @03:30AM (#14955356)
The short story: the US meddled in latin america for so long that now it's trivial for populist/socialist despots to take power under no other pretense than "keep the US out".

Obviously the international community has to be active here, but I don't think it's clever to do the usual let-CIA-help-the-opposition (which in part is why we are here in the first place). This should be international aid for democratic reform.

Re:Venezuela’s descent into dictatorship shows democracy can... by ushegemony on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @08:06AM (#14956915)
I agree for the most part alkonaut, but it always becomes a dangerous game, what does being a 'democracy' entail? Does it mean that all countries need to accept some globally sanctioned form of morality with little regard for their own cultural heritage? It just feels like something that would so easily be subject to mission creep.
Re:Venezuela’s descent into dictatorship shows democracy can... by alkonaut on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @08:48AM (#14957227)
what kind of cultural heritage would be threatened by foreign support for liberal democracy (demanding e.g journalists are not jailed without trial in return for aid or other support)?

Romania should stop treating minorities badly or the EU should withold funds, as a concrete example.

There are similar examples for Poland with respect to media and division of power (also tenets of liberal democracy).

I don't know exactly what concrete actions could be taken with Venezuela.

Re:Venezuela’s descent into dictatorship shows democracy can... by ushegemony on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @09:02AM (#14957346)
I'm not talking about journalists being jailed etc, I should have given a more concrete example, I am referring to more liberal countries trying to enforce their ideologies onto more conservative countries.

I think all this stuff encroaches too much on the sovereignty of a peoples / country, which some people in this ever more globalised world don't see as a bad thing for some reason.

Re:Venezuela’s descent into dictatorship shows democracy can... by alkonaut on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @02:38PM (#14961065)
Do you have any concrete examples of liberal countries pushing values?

I mean as one example we can take western countries that give aid to African countries - is it right or wrong to condition the aid on ending persecution of homosexuals? Perhaps not a good example...