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Re:Ask HN: Are ORMs overkill for using SQL databases? by SarahBishop on Saturday August 05, 2017 @12:39AM (#14934261)
ORMs are good for only one thing, saving your models to the database and retrieving your models from the database for display on a single page.

Once you start using them for other things like generating lists of objects, pagination then you start hitting issues. In fact here you are better off using straight SQL and PDO to return an array of data that you format into HTML for display. https://19216811wiki.wordpress.com/

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