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Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by turc1656 on Friday August 04, 2017 @06:32PM (#14932917)
Very interesting. I certainly hope he gets more time than I am expecting. Personally, my gut is saying 1-2 years. I'd be happy if he gets 4-6 like you expect.

Definitely going to be interesting to hear the judges words during sentencing. I was listening to the Michelle Carter sentencing yesterday, as I was following that relatively closely. Now I'm waiting to see what happens here, but this is much more cut and dry than that case. I'm only interested because it's Shkreli.

Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by fastball on Friday August 04, 2017 @09:54PM (#14933832)
Why do you favor harsher sentencing for him?

As a hedge fund manager, losing money is not illegal. The only illegal thing he did was lie about it so that he could get them their money back.

It would've been perfectly legal for him to lose all his clients money in the hedge fund, make them aware of this fact, and reap the profits from his pharma business without dishing it out to his hedge fund clients.

As far as I can tell, Shkreli turned a technically legal "I fucked up and lost your money scenario" into a technically illegal I fucked up, lost your money, but got it back to you scenario.

If I was part of Shkreli's hedge fund, I would much prefer to be involved in the latter scenario than the former.

Sure, I could sue Shkreli to recoup some of my hedge fund losses, but this way they didn't need to.

Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by Alex3917 on Friday August 04, 2017 @10:11PM (#14933862)
> The only illegal thing he did was lie about it so that he could get them their money back.

You're missing the point; giving his investors 'their' money back was the thing he did that was unethical and illegal. If you're a fund manager and the value of your portfolio goes down after making bad bets, you can't just inject your own money into the fund to make it look like you have a positive track record so that you can solicit more outside funds.

Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by um_ya on Saturday August 05, 2017 @12:47AM (#14934275)
You're grasping for ways to punish this guy because you don't like him. The fact is, he made a mistake and wanted to pay back the people he made a mistake with.
Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by RodericDay on Sunday August 06, 2017 @11:01AM (#14941561)
I'd say it's exactly the opposite. The guy blatantly broke the law, but you seem to he very attached to him because you see him as some kind of noble do-gooder.
Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by jklein11 on Saturday August 05, 2017 @09:47AM (#14935647)
At the heart of it Shkreli was robbing Peter to pay Paul.

He took some of Retrophin investors profits and used it to pay back his investors in MSMB. Those profits should have gone to Retrophin investors.

From the perspective of the hedge fund, this is a pretty bad spot to be in. Retrophin investors will be looking to be made whole for the money Shkreli gave to MSMB investors.

I would imagine that this is how Ponzi schemes start.

Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by usrusr on Saturday August 05, 2017 @06:14AM (#14935049)
If you lie about the nature of an investment your fund is doing it is fraud, even if the investment you have secretly been doing turns out to be successful.
Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by fastball on Sunday August 06, 2017 @03:04AM (#14940144)
I realize that it is fraud, but it's "lesser of two evils" fraud, which is why I personally favor lighter sentencing.
Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by slewis on Friday August 04, 2017 @09:38PM (#14933779)
It'd be interesting to hear why you'd like 4-6 years. I'm not judging your preference or response, really just curious.
Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by wcummings on Friday August 04, 2017 @09:48PM (#14933812)
Seems like a sorta horrible thing to say imo, 6 years is a long time to spend in prison.
Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by Froyoh on Friday August 04, 2017 @08:27PM (#14933506)
I'm willing to say less than 1 year, we'll see who's right ;)
Re:Martin Shkreli is found guilty of securities fraud by cornedor on Friday August 04, 2017 @09:49PM (#14933813)
He just said in a podcast with h3h3 that it would something like 6 months.