Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture

Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by toomuchtodo on Thursday August 03, 2017 @02:28PM (#14922305)

Causes havoc with societal cohesion.

> Social cohesion is defined as the willingness of members of a society to cooperate with each other in order to survive and prosper.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3341872

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by CaptSpify on Thursday August 03, 2017 @02:55PM (#14922581)

I guess I'm not a big fan of too much social cohesion. I actually prefer societies that embrace differences. Though I would agree that can be taken to a dangerous extreme.

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by toomuchtodo on Thursday August 03, 2017 @02:58PM (#14922611)

I'd be curious how, in your model, you'd moderate personal behaviors to tune macro results between social harmony and everyone being a low level sociopath. Historically, peer pressure and social moores provided that functionality.

Isn't there a Black Mirror episode about this with social capital? [+]

[+] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by CaptSpify on Thursday August 03, 2017 @03:28PM (#14922932)

> moderate personal behaviors to tune macro results between social harmony and everyone being a low level sociopath.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by that. examples maybe?

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by toomuchtodo on Thursday August 03, 2017 @03:37PM (#14923029)

At the lowest levels, balancing selfishness, vanity, the need for self-actualization, and the expression of empathy and compassion.

On one extreme, you have the Dalai Lama, the latest Pope, and Bernie Sanders. The other: the Kardashians, Kanye West, and Martin Shkreli.

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by CaptSpify on Thursday August 03, 2017 @04:00PM (#14923236)

I guess that I've seen less moderation of personal behaviors via these mechanisms in our current society over my lifetime, and I'm not sure that's a big problem. I'd argue that most of the peer pressure and social moors society (especially local society) pushes are typically a net negative, and as we grow globally, we're realizing that they don't usually make sense.

NOTE: I'm mostly talking out of my ass here as I've never really thought much about this subject before. I'd gladly welcome new ways of seeing this issue and facts that counter my view.

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by toomuchtodo on Thursday August 03, 2017 @04:10PM (#14923337)

> I'd argue that most of the peer pressure and social moors society (especially local society) pushes are typically a net negative, and as we grow globally, we're realizing that they don't usually make sense.

It seems to me that Instagram, Facebook, and Snapchat are causing extreme narcissism to embed itself in younger cohorts, along with workers being more mobile causing family units to fall apart. The shitty parts of human behavior are being exploited by tech companies for obscene profits with no governance of their actions.

Data shows that loneliness kills, but we shun extended family living arrangements in the US (you still live with your parens/grandparents?). Data shows that social media networks trigger the same parts of your brain as cocaine, and are just as addictive.

Just my two cents.

Social media narcissism: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=social+media+narcissism

Health risks with loneliness: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_exa...

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by CaptSpify on Thursday August 03, 2017 @04:42PM (#14923672)

I'd agree that the changes you describe are taking place, but I'm not convinced it's all a bad thing.

There absolutely are negative aspects to these changes, but I think there's also a lot of good aspects to them as well. Instead of viewing these changes as good or bad, I guess I generally see them as "just different". Additionally, I think a lot of the bad sides to these issues seem to be ones that already existed to one degree or another, and hopefully this will increase our ability to fix them.

> The shitty parts of human behavior are being exploited by tech companies for obscene profits with no governance of their actions.

I absolutely agree with this though, and think that we should be doing a much better job here.

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by icebraining on Friday August 04, 2017 @02:07AM (#14926674)

along with workers being more mobile causing family units to fall apart.

"Millennials are moving significantly less than earlier generations of young adults."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/13/americans-ar...

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by toomuchtodo on Sunday August 13, 2017 @12:34AM (#15001505)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/how-many-times-the-avera...

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by simlevesque on Thursday August 03, 2017 @02:41PM (#14922444)

I'm not convinced that having something in common with someone corrolates with cooperation.

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by toomuchtodo on Thursday August 03, 2017 @03:04PM (#14922679)

Please read the entire article if you have the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_functionalism

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by ameister14 on Friday August 04, 2017 @08:51AM (#14928273)

Well, it definitely corrolates. That's how agreements are made, after all. If you have nothing in common with another person there is no framework for understanding.

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by simlevesque on Friday August 04, 2017 @04:57PM (#14932183)

Why would the type of content you listen to prevent us from ever collaborating ? You gotta be close minded not to collaborate with people who don't consume the same content as you do...

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Re:Inside Patreon, the economic engine of internet culture by dgfgfdagasdfgfa on Thursday August 03, 2017 @06:42PM (#14924626)

I don't think you could talk about anything like this as "good" or "bad"; it's happening regardless of what anyone thinks, wants, or intends.

However, alienation is about to get a hell of a lot more crushing.

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