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Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by DangerousPie on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:16AM (#14899502)
> The Foundation was created to be able to have Dmitry work full-time on Krita. Because we sell stuff, the tax inspector has determined that we’re a company, and should have paid VAT in the Netherlands over the work Dmitry has been doing in Russia. Even though there is no VAT in Russia on the kind of work Dmitry is doing.

As someone who has dealt with VAT in the EU a bit this sounds really odd to me. Even if the inspector determines that VAT needs to be charged on these services, shouldn't it be Dmitry who is paying them, not the foundation?

In other words, they should be coming after the person providing the services for the VAT that he neglected to charge, not after the foundation who just paid the invoices they were given.

Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by asb on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:23AM (#14899555)
This is an understandable assumption, but it's actually not the way it works. I'm sure the Dutch tax authorities have equivalent documentation, but the UK description of the 'reverse charge' should explain the basic principle https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-imports-acquisitions-and-pur...
Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by 1110001110 on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:39AM (#14899635)
Link to the Dutch Tax Authority:

- [1] Reverse-charging VAT (English)

- [2] Calculating VAT for services to and from non-EU-countries (Dutch)

[1] https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontenten/...

[2] https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/...

Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by DangerousPie on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:25AM (#14899562)
Oh, I see! That makes sense then.
Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by vetinari on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:19AM (#14899518)
> Even if the inspector determines that VAT needs to be charged on these services, shouldn't it be Dmitry who is paying them, not the foundation?

From the look of it, Dmitry is outside the EU, making the foundation the importer and thus responsible for the VAT.

Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by DangerousPie on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:21AM (#14899539)
I never heard of this. Is that actually a rule in the Netherlands? I don't think/hope it is in the UK at least.
Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by ralfn on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:55AM (#14899730)
This is a rule everywhere, in every nation with any serious tax system - otherwise it is a big loop hole for everyone and no taxes at all would be collected.

Example: a dutch company sells a product to dutch consumers. They have to pay VAT. However what if they setup a company in another country that first buys the products for 0.001 cents and then sells the products back for full price to the consumer.

Most, if not all, countries do not apply VAT on exports.

In the end it doesnt matter where it was produced. Its taxed based on where it was consumed.

When an economic union such as the EU refer to an internal market they mean stuff like this. But as a result all VAT in the EU are now almost identical (or else your own producers would be tempted to move the profit to another EU country)

Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @08:41AM (#14900015)
Cross-border VAT is the foundation of something called carousel fraud.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_trader_fraud

The EU changed its cross-border VAT rules a couple of years ago, and they're now insanely complicated and probably unenforceable.

But unfortunately if a company/charity is domiciled in the EU then EU laws apply, even if the person with a controlling interest is domiciled elsewhere.

Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by kgwgk on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @08:07AM (#14899787)
> a dutch company sells a product to dutch consumers. They have to pay VAT.

Just a clarification: the consumer pays the tax. The company collects the tax and transfers it to the state (deducting the taxes they paid in their activity, so what they actually give to the taxman is a "value added" tax).

Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by gcp on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @08:01AM (#14899763)
The EU VAT system was overhauled very recently (VAT rate of buyer, not seller) exactly because many businesses were "moving" to low VAT countries like Luxembourg.
Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by wooter on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @10:07AM (#14900727)
So dumb.
Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by gcp on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @10:36AM (#14901044)
Dumb from whom?

It makes a lot of sense, unfortunately it's more of a hassle which hurts small businesses relatively more.

Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by gcp on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:22AM (#14899550)
This is EU wide so it would apply to the UK, for now.

Note that the rules for intra-EU B2B transfers may be different (deferred VAT).

Re:Krita Foundation in Trouble by gcp on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @07:22AM (#14899548)
No, you must pay VAT at the point of import if your supplier is outside the EU.

Not doing so would allow unfair competition from suppliers outside the EU. Note that for goods, these are import tariffs.