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Re:Nearby Connections 2.0: offline high bandwidth peer to pe... by dTal on Monday July 31, 2017 @07:13PM (#14896675)
Play services is more than just the online store; it's a Faustian bargain of useful services in exchange for giving Google root control over "your" computer.

I refuse to Play. I don't really miss the app store, but I'm sore I can't cast media at my friend's house (Chromecast requires Google Play, of course). This is another brick in that wall.

This is more unethical and monopolistic than anything Micro$oft ever did, back when they earned that moniker.

Re:Nearby Connections 2.0: offline high bandwidth peer to pe... by nevi-me on Monday July 31, 2017 @10:41PM (#14897538)
Well, tough. As an app developer, I don't bother with users who don't use Play. I prefer worrying about Play versions instead of Android versions. There are a lot of useful features which we would otherwise wait for new OS releases to be able to use.
Re:Nearby Connections 2.0: offline high bandwidth peer to pe... by Groxx on Monday July 31, 2017 @11:04PM (#14897611)
The vast majority of which have no reason to be tied to Play, they're just (ab)using Play to auto-install and auto-update it everywhere. An effective way around carrier update delays, to be sure, but far from the only option.

It could've been an app. Or more than one. And then there could've been competition. Instead it's baked into a monster install that does who-knows-what when it invisibly updates itself.

Re:Nearby Connections 2.0: offline high bandwidth peer to pe... by nevi-me on Monday July 31, 2017 @11:20PM (#14897668)
That's fair criticism, but "we" are likely to complain that "Google is installing many apps, and I don't know what they're doing". What also happens when I install "Core" v11.0.4, and then "Cast" doesn't install? Or the user stumbles upon "PubSub", and removes updates?

I'm inclined to think this is an all or nothing here, but since we don't have access to the source, I won't know how Google has implemented Play Services.

Can you kindly give an example of which APIs shouldn't be tied to Play though? I've never thought about it.

Re:Nearby Connections 2.0: offline high bandwidth peer to pe... by Angostura on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @01:44AM (#14898166)
Does Chromecast really require a Play login? On iOS you can cast with no login at all
Re:Nearby Connections 2.0: offline high bandwidth peer to pe... by dTal on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @11:24AM (#14901650)
I don't believe it requires a login, but it does require Play services, which requires giving root to Google via a closed-source binary.