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Re:Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Us... by jMyles on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:56PM (#14882275)
> What would "sticking to their guns" involve?

Leave the apps in the app store and make the government make the next move.

They're fucking Apple, they can do a lot to help finally topple that mess. It's something that needs to happen in my lifetime, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a company who otherwise trumpets about social justice to be a part of it.

Re:Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Us... by mwfunk on Saturday July 29, 2017 @05:02PM (#14882990)
They can't do a lot if the resultant stock crash causes the board to fire the executives. Executives call the shots but in publicly traded companies their continued employment is decided by the board (who represent investors, who literally only care about stock prices).

Really the big problem here are the constraints imposed on publicly traded companies, which I think do more harm than good in many cases.

Re:Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Us... by fma on Saturday July 29, 2017 @05:26PM (#14883071)
I would imagine Google thought the same. If this was five or more years ago and Xiaomi did not exist, there may be more pressure from the people. However there is a good alternative to the iPhone and the government would probably just say take it or leave it. It would give the government the perfect excuse to ban iPhone and have their citizens use a home grown phone that would be more compliant to the government's wishes.
Re:Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Us... by briandear on Saturday July 29, 2017 @06:43PM (#14883330)
Then China blocks all Apple devices and services. In 5 minutes Apple is demolished in China.

So what’s Apple’s response? Close factories? That would disrupt their supply chain for years, potentially collapsing the company. All the cash in the world can’t retool and rebuild a factory overnight.

If anyone cares about this situation “for real,” you’d boycott every single Chinese made product because by owning a Chinese product, YOU are a hypocrite. You can’t expect Apple to stop selling to China if you aren’t willing to stop buying from China.

While you’re at it, stop buying from Mexico because elements of the government facilitate the execution of reporters. Don’t buy from Indonesia because they give the death penalty for minor drug offenses. Find me a country and I can find you something about which to be outraged. Even the “progressive” EU has enacted or attempted to enact laws abridging free speech. You can’t even print the word Nazi in Germany without facing potential criminal charges. As horrible as Nazis and neo-Nazis are, censoring their speech is STILL a violation of human rights. Free speech isn’t just that with which you agree, but it’s the expression of ideas – regardless of how detestable they may be. Germany sees Nazi speech as a threat to public order and perhaps they are correct, but in the same vein, China sees talk of Tiananmen or other such topics as threats to their public order. Should Google, Facebook and Apple pull outmoded Germany? Because it’s the exact same thing. We just happen to agree with censoring Nazi speech while we disagree with censoring “democracy-speech.” Both are censorship applied by a government due to a real or perceived threat to their systems.

Plenty of people here were willing to boycott US states over bathroom laws yet almost every single one of you has something you own made in China – a country with far bigger human rights issues than the hole in which one pees.

While pointing fingers at Apple, one ought to be pointing fingers at oneself as well.

Re:Apple Removes Apps from China Store That Help Internet Us... by thatfrenchguy on Saturday July 29, 2017 @06:56PM (#14883404)
« As horrible as Nazis and neo-Nazis are, censoring their speech is STILL a violation of human rights »

That’s only one interpretation of human rights.