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Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by pavel_lishin on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:05PM (#14867235)
Do kids face the same risk factors as professional NFL players? Someone who plays in high school isn't necessarily going to play football for their entire life; do four years of football from ages 14-18 significantly increase risk?
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by joshuagrgt on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:11PM (#14867298)
The NYTimes article said that they tested over 200 brains, half were college or high school players only. 87% came back with CTE. One would hope that it is untenable for institutions of higher learning to profit off of giving their students long term brain damage.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by sulam on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:21PM (#14867413)
Specifically the percentage breakdown was 99% NFL players, 26% of high school players. It is a significant risk in high school, but clearly there is either a cumulative effect (very likely) and/or as you graduate to more competitive levels of the sport the character changes sufficiently to be more of a risk (also very likely).

I was raised in Texas and was more the thin runner body than the football build, so I never played, though lots of people do play high school football there. It's interesting imagining that 1/4 of them could be walking around with CTE.

Of course, keep in mind the study is biased by the fact that these brains were specifically donated for evaluation for CTE. It seems probable that CTE findings would be lower in the general population.

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by ApolloFortyNine on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:23PM (#14867427)
That study was a bit misleading in that they only tested brains that were suspected of having CTE in the first place.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by jdelaney on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:31PM (#14867513)
Dr. McKee, the study's author, acknowledged that and addressed it:

> But 110 positives remain significant scientific evidence of an N.F.L. player’s risk of developing C.T.E., which can be diagnosed only after death. About 1,300 former players have died since the B.U. group began examining brains. So even if every one of the other 1,200 players had tested negative — which even the heartiest skeptics would agree could not possibly be the case — the minimum C.T.E. prevalence would be close to 9 percent, vastly higher than in the general population.

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by ApolloFortyNine on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:38PM (#14867577)
But it should not be unexpected for the number to be higher. For years people who weigh hundreds of pounds are hitting each other repeatedly. And they are paid considerably well for it. Plus, we should compare this to other sports as well, as even most non-contact sports (soccer, basketball, even baseball) have collisions from time to time. Football should have a higher percentage than those, but without knowing the percentages in even 'safe' sports, these numbers are practically meaningless.

The real issue would arise if they can somehow test high school students and find similarly high percentages (90+ percent), but since you can't test right now until they are deceased (from what I understand), that would be extremely hard to do.

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by tomtheelder on Thursday July 27, 2017 @02:39PM (#14868145)
> The real issue would arise if they can somehow test high school students and find similarly high percentages (90+ percent), but since you can't test right now until they are deceased (from what I understand), that would be extremely hard to do.

I think that's seriously downplaying the issue.

Let's say hypothetically HS football players are developing it at 10% vs 1% in the general population. That alone would be a massive discovery, and grounds for seriously reworking or even eliminating HS football. You don't need these rates to be in the 90% range for this to be game changing, so to speak.

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by heygrady on Thursday July 27, 2017 @06:38PM (#14870329)
Early studies (2012) found that high school students had CTE [1]. When the issue broke nationally a few years ago, early indicators were that high school students were at higher risk than older athletes [2]. There have been some doctors that claim to be able to diagnose living people with CTE [3]. However, concussions are difficult to diagnose [4] and may go unreported. Sadly, one common side effect of concussions is suicidal thoughts [5]. Which is one of the main reasons people are asking if football is worth the risk [6].

[1] http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/schooled_in_sports/2012/12/lo...

[2] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/high-school-footba...

[3] http://www.tsn.ca/a-possible-breakthrough-on-testing-cte-1.2...

[4] http://www.traumaticbraininjury.net/why-concussions-are-so-h...

[5] http://www.gq.com/story/the-concussion-diaries-high-school-f...

[6] https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2017/07/26/is-footba...

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by grasshopperpurp on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:33PM (#14867533)
The study found that, on average, there are 4 direct fatalities and 8.2 indirect fatalities among high school and college players per year, making indirect fatalities more than twice as common as direct fatalities.

I don't know about younger kids, but high school players die every year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_in_American_foot...

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0363546513478572

Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by qq66 on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:58PM (#14867795)
The risk of getting hit by a 14-year-old kid is obviously less than the risk of getting hit by one of the hardest-hitting 26-year-olds in the world, but the rewards are also less. Many Hall of Fame-level NFL players have said that the glory, fame, and riches were worth the lifetime of pain, dementia, etc. afterwards. It's not clear that someone who got 10% of the brain damage but 0.0001% of the rewards would say the same thing.
Re:Ravens OL John Urschel, 26, retires abruptly, two days af... by skellera on Thursday July 27, 2017 @01:12PM (#14867313)
Until they do studies, it may be possible that head injuries may be worse in the long run at that age. It'd be an important question to answer.