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Re:Docker operations slowing down on AWS by hinkley on Wednesday July 26, 2017 @12:03PM (#14857412)
I really struggle with this color of money nonsense that western finance has invented. Tell me again why hiring a developer is cheaper than buying one $8k server that will save us 35 man hours a week? Drives me batty.

Rearchitecting may be necessary anyway, but doing this kind of work involves hiring and training better senior devs and retaining them for a couple of years at least. That's not cheap. It's A lot more expensive than those OPS guys you laid off.

I think what both of these scenarios share is that they're not about saving money. They're about empire building for the Dev manager.

Re:Docker operations slowing down on AWS by pizza234 on Wednesday July 26, 2017 @12:37PM (#14857754)
It's not so black and white. The changes mentioned may be a necessary evil when scaling; in this perspective, moving to the cloud makes a set of solutions (rearchitecting) happen sooner than later.

Also, an 8k server is a big unit. Cloud services are much more granular. This is a problem of bare metal - it's easy to overprovision because the base unit is large, and one ends up being happy of having an "overprovisioned" system, when in reality it's money down the drain.

Also, you don't count the management of the 8k server. It may (but not necessarily) be at a click distance; if it is, the management hardware (eg. one from a very famous servers producer) may have a poor software.

There are reasons why, in some cases (of course, not in all or not in many), cloud may be more advantageous than an "8k" bare metal server.

All in all, I think without numbers, talking about metal vs. cloud in abstract, generic terms, makes a poor argument.

Re:Docker operations slowing down on AWS by hinkley on Wednesday July 26, 2017 @08:21PM (#14861609)
> Also, an 8k server is a big unit

My point was that it's peanuts compared to the labor costs it saves. I've worked quite a few places where a single $2-3k server would have saved every employee around an hour a day. In some cases several machines would have saved an hour each.

Every person you don't need gets you more than one person worth of increased productivity due to scaling limits, (see also Fred Brooks, IT and HR - more employees, more support staff).

Re:Docker operations slowing down on AWS by eropple on Wednesday July 26, 2017 @02:49PM (#14858998)
One of the other aspects is that cloud stuff tends to make very apparent stuff that was always true but often ignored (for one reason or another). Like--that rearchitecture would be a good idea regardless of where you are (because stuff like twelve-factor apps are just a fact of life), they just become more obviously necessary when everyone's always hyping up that Anything Can Disappear At Any Time.