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Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:20PM (#14849742)
"Necessary"? Its a world market for top-end talent, we just attract the cream of the crop. Even if Americans upped their game, everyone else would probably also and we'd still be in the same situation.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by jrs95 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:26PM (#14849813)
The majority of STEM workers by definition can't be top talent for the industry. Being a part of a world market for top talent makes sense. That's not what we have though. We don't even have enough people or average or mediocre talent. We're relying on a global labor market at the expense of our own citizens.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by jxramos on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:35PM (#14849923)
Seems to jibe with what I just read the other week in City Journal...

"""At a dinner for Silicon Valley executives in early 2011, President Barack Obama asked Apple CEO Steve Jobs what it would take to bring iPhone manufacturing back to America. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” the typically blunt Apple cofounder told the president. Examining Jobs’s claim, the New York Times looked at Apple’s vast Chinese operations and found that workers there not only worked for less than Americans did; more of them were skilled. To oversee production and guide some 200,000 assembly-line workers, Apple, for instance, needed 8,700 industrial engineers—positions that required more than a high school diploma but less than a full college degree. While abundant in China, these kinds of employees are harder to find in the United States. “The U.S. has stopped producing people with the skills we need,” an unnamed Apple executive told the Times.""" https://www.city-journal.org/html/vocational-ed-reborn-15253...

Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by gpawl on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:16PM (#14850365)
Industrial engineer jobs went to China because the low-wage factory job they oversee went to China. Industrial engineers would be easy to find if their was demand for them.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by vonmoltke on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:29PM (#14850524)
> We don't even have enough people or average or mediocre talent.

I don't agree. I think we have far more average talent than we have companies willing to hire only average talent, particularly if said average talent does not already live within 20 miles of them.

Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by ryandrake on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @10:14PM (#14853290)
Exactly. The labor market (yes, including tech) is absolutely overflowing with average talent. It's just that every company seems to want to hire only the top 2%. Long-term flatline wages support this--if there truly were "not enough" people, wages would rise.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by corporateslave2 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:25PM (#14849789)
This isn't true. It's a race to the bottom for cheap talent. There is definitely a race for top talent, but that comprises a small portion of all immigrants. It's all about cheap labor.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:35PM (#14851147)
The H1B salary numbers outside of Indian body shops don't back up that claim.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by corporateslave2 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @04:46PM (#14851707)
True. But the body shops are a huge percentage of all H1Bs
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @05:33PM (#14852071)
They are a significant percentage of H1Bs, but not even a majority of them.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by corporateslave2 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @06:47PM (#14852520)
I don't have the energy to argue this
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @11:26PM (#14853470)
Ya, facts are like that. Easier to argue on feelings.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by andreasklinger on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:26PM (#14849811)
I assume OP means that education (to become "top-end talent") could be more widely available in the US.
Re:42% of California’s STEM Workforce Hails from Outside the... by fageyogurtspoon on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:16PM (#14850368)
Most expensive talent != top-end talent