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Re:Elon Musk’s Tunnel Plan Isn’t as Crazy as SpaceX or Tesla by abalone on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:01PM (#14849504)
I believe they're hoping to mitigate 3 and 4 by going deeper than most things. But wouldn't that make 2, emergency escape routes, a lot more expensive?

How do you make a very long, very deep, narrow-diameter, elevator-accessed tunnel safe from fires and toxic gas releases? You can make it a vacuum but then what if you have to escape a vehicle? How does this thing not become a death trap in the event of a fire?

Fire is the number one cause of fatalities in tunnels (remember it's the smoke that kills). Tons of engineering and expense goes into trying to devise shelter and evacuation solutions.

Re:Elon Musk’s Tunnel Plan Isn’t as Crazy as SpaceX or Tesla by lucaspiller on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:24PM (#14849787)
The Channel Tunnel is a good example of how it could be done safely. There are two tunnels for trains, and a third smaller tunnel in the middle for emergency use. In the event of a fire people can be (and have been - there have been a few fires) evacuated to the service tunnel, and then road vehicles are sent to collect them.

The Channel Tunnel is only 31.5 miles long vs 230 miles (driving) from New York to DC, but having an access shaft every 30 miles or so wouldn't be that bad.

I'm not sure how you'd deal with the vacuum issue though - I guess doors at regular intervals that can be sealed, so a section of the tunnel can be bought back to atmospheric pressure, and the emergency doors can be opened between the car-tunnel and tunnel-emergency tunnel.

Re:Elon Musk’s Tunnel Plan Isn’t as Crazy as SpaceX or Tesla by abalone on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @05:10PM (#14851886)
That's precisely my point: with that approach they'd have to dig an parallel 230 mile tunnel just for emergency access. Plus cross passage escape tubes that you can get to on foot before you're overtaken by smoke or gases.

The Gotthard tunnel has them about every half mile, but the Boring Company will use smaller diameter tunnels where smoke and gas spread faster, so they'll probably need them more tightly spaced -- say, every quarter mile. And they'll use separate tunnels for each direction of traffic. So that's three tunnels plus 230 x 4 x 2 = 1,840 cross passage tubes.

This is all technically achievable, but the Boring Company's vision is all about cost.. building tunnels 10X cheaper. This is, I think, at least as great of a challenge as getting government approvals to dig very deep.

Re:Elon Musk’s Tunnel Plan Isn’t as Crazy as SpaceX or Tesla by std_throwaway on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:12PM (#14849613)
You won't get fires if there is nothing that burns.
Re:Elon Musk’s Tunnel Plan Isn’t as Crazy as SpaceX or Tesla by abalone on Wednesday July 26, 2017 @07:45AM (#14855342)
Wishful thinking. The video envisions Teslas driving directly into the tunnel system via elevators. That means arbitrary cargo and, moreover, Teslas have giant battery packs that can catch fire.
Re:Elon Musk’s Tunnel Plan Isn’t as Crazy as SpaceX or Tesla by bluehawk on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:30PM (#14849873)
So... passengers can't wear clothing or bring any belongings with them that can burn?
Re:Elon Musk’s Tunnel Plan Isn’t as Crazy as SpaceX or Tesla by std_throwaway on Wednesday July 26, 2017 @01:17AM (#14853818)
Things you can take on a plane would probably be alright.
Re:Elon Musk’s Tunnel Plan Isn’t as Crazy as SpaceX or Tesla by placeybordeaux on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:45PM (#14850044)
But you're accepting passengers and what they carry.