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Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by pyre on Saturday July 03, 2010 @07:01PM (#1484682)

  > What I'm saying is when people use the phone search
  > they are trying to search the phone part of the
  > device (SMS, email, etc...).

  > That in mind I see Apple's point here as being
  > "we think developers will abuse search if they
  > are allowed in and we don't think users want that
  > so we're keeping them out"
This is a straw man. Apple can weight the search so that search hits in the more important apps are always at the top of the results.
Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by jsz0 on Saturday July 03, 2010 @07:51PM (#1484784)
Google could do the same thing but unfortunately when I use the search function and search for "Rachel" (I have two in my address book) the first result is a web search for Rachel Maddow -- useless.
Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by pyre on Sunday July 04, 2010 @02:36AM (#1485267)
I was pointing out that if Apple enabled developers to their data into the main search functionality, it doesn't necessarily mean that the search results will be useless.
Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by TomOfTTB on Saturday July 03, 2010 @07:10PM (#1484705)
Ok well...first...you're using "straw man argument" wrong since I'm not trying to refute Apple's position (not trying to be snide but just to make you aware for future use)

On your point you're certainly right but I'd argue this is where we get into the realm of "pragmatist vs perfectinist". There is a UI hit to returning 1,000 results as opposed to 2 or 3. It's a small hit but it is there. Apple, as the creator of the device, has the right to choose to be perfectionist about things even if it makes developers unhappy

Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by pyre on Saturday July 03, 2010 @07:25PM (#1484740)
In my original post: s/straw man/weak argument/

I'm in disagreement with the idea that developers will abuse something that Apple has ultimate control over.

Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by extension on Sunday July 04, 2010 @03:15AM (#1485302)
A few will abuse it, ruining it for everyone, unless Apple polices it vigilantly, which is a lot of work and tends to cause PR problems.
Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by Tichy on Sunday July 04, 2010 @03:41AM (#1485329)
An app that goes wild can simply be uninstalled.
Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by pyre on Monday July 05, 2010 @06:40AM (#1487897)
s/will abuse/can abuse/

I guess I should have been clearer. Apple can make it so that it's impossible for developers to abuse it.

Re:Ask HN: Has iOS irrevocably fallen behind? by davidmduarte on Sunday July 04, 2010 @05:04AM (#1485420)
Yes, Apple has that right. Is just a matter of choice for Apple and for developers.