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Re:How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addict... by vkou on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @01:36PM (#14806140)
> I agree with you and think the hubbub around r/the_donald is amusing. In my opinion, r/the_donald is a "beautiful" example of mob trolling. If a subreddit doesn't interest you, just unfollow it.

The problem with having something r/the_donald on reddit is that its posters don't stay in r/the_donald. They go out to other reddits, and post hateful shit.

It's like having a shared space for clubs, that also includes a local chapter of the KKK.

It'd be fine if they just played dungeon and wizard dressup and complained about black people in the confines of their club room every Tuesday.

The problem is that they spill out, and start burning crosses and handing out beatings to the other users of the shared space. Pretty soon, the entire community turns into a dumpster fire, and people who don't want to deal with that bullshit leave.

The owners of the space can then pat eachother on the back, and congratulate themselves for encouraging freedom of expression.

Re:How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addict... by bduerst on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @02:14PM (#14806519)
Yep, I agree. The users that infiltrate other subs don't announce they're from the_donald, but their rhetoric is still the same.

Someone wrote a script that would res tag the_donald posters in other subs, and it's very noticeable how they're the ones derailing discussions that just involve a keyword like immigration, Islam, Europe, race, healthcare, or other hot button issues for them.

Re:How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addict... by cookiecaper on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @11:49PM (#14809901)
Are they derailing the discussion, or simply offering a different perspective?

Like it or not, Trump won, so there is obviously a large quantity of people who subscribe to the positions you've labeled "hateful". Why should your interpretation of their opinion override their ability to share their thoughts on the topic? Subreddit mods have the ability to constrain the discussion within their own parameters. What else is needed?

I particularly dislike the attitude of "Let's tag people who post in this sub". How are you supposed to know if you have common ground if you can't even post in that sub without getting labeled or banned?

Re:How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addict... by bduerst on Saturday July 22, 2017 @12:56PM (#14828071)
Derailing a discussion is the same anti-patterns as using fallacious arguments when it comes to "offering a different perspective."

Some notable ways they derail discussions are:

- Oppression Olympics: Saying the U.S. meddles with other countries' elections so it's not so bad that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. "Happens to everybody."

- Whataboutism: Deflecting or changing the subject to be about Hillary Clinton or President Obama.

- Oversensitivity: "They're just memes, lighten up snowflake." "Nobody takes this seriously haha."

As for res tagging, it's extremely apparent that their patterns of behavior they exhibit are fairly uniform. This is probably a side effect of the strict way with which mods of the subreddit ban anyone who doesn't conform to a certain mindset. It creates a strong signal about users who aren't interested in genuine discussion, but are incredibly biased and self serving.

Re:How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addict... by irrational on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @01:56PM (#14806354)
Which subreddits are you talking about? I frequent r/boardgames, r/javascript, r/webdev, etc. and I can't remember every seeing overflow from r/the_donald or the like. Maybe you are going to the wrong subreddits?
Re:How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addict... by dionidium on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @01:42PM (#14806206)
You're subbed to the wrong subreddits. You could be getting a lot more out of reddit than you are. The comments here make it sound like 95% of all conversations are about race and politics, but if that's what you're seeing, then that's really just a reflection of what you're reading.

There are subreddits about everything. Most of them don't include conversations about police shootings or Islam.

Re:How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addict... by vkou on Wednesday July 19, 2017 @01:49PM (#14806280)
Yes, the guys wearing white hoods will probably not collectively crap all over the knitting club. That doesn't make the overall situation any better, nor is it a good idea to have them make up a large part of the site's userbase.

(And the only reason it seems that they aren't a problem is because moderators of more specialized reddits have to delete their posts, and ban the posters.)

Some customers aren't worth keeping.

Re:How a Reddit forum has become a lifeline to opioid addict... by dionidium on Thursday July 20, 2017 @12:48PM (#14814128)
You seem to concede my point, but then proceed with your argument that it's still a problem, anyway. I don't know how to respond to that except to say that I hope nobody actually listens to you. Reddit has some great communities and people shouldn't be scared to participate in them.