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Re:I’ve been a self-employed independent creator for 10 years by vinceguidry on Monday July 17, 2017 @06:58PM (#14792974)
Maybe I'm more off-the-handle here than I care to admit. I don't know why I still get constantly surprised by the crazy idealism of HN. I'm a 100% dyed in the wool hacker, coded BASIC in grade school, but there are aspects about the culture that still elude me, mostly because I have a lot of other identities and can't constantly keep tabs on what this particular community feels.

So yeah, I'll concede the logical points you raised.

But you have no idea how many really and truly irrational people I've run into in my day. Life wasn't kind to them, and I'm expected to fix it, and if I don't, I'm the irrational / disloyal one. I am very very attuned to the irrational mindset.

But HN has its crazy idealism, so the second I call one person irrational, everybody here jumps on me like I'm a crazy job Nazi. I attacked your idealism, I must pay. I get this crap with my roommate, who pissed away 3 jobs since I've known him and have to give a break on the rent because he's satisfying other obligations that he took on at least partly due to idealism.

So let me state, for the record, that not wanting to have a 9-5 job is an eminently rational thing to want. Wanting it against reality, however, or without a realistic plan to accomplish it, or settling on stupid ways of getting there, like just quitting without a game plan, is a recipe for pain, not prosperity. You're not dealing from a rational frame, so your outcomes will not be what you want them to be.

My strong reaction comes from many many years of dealing with people who beg for your help, but just can't be helped. You can't talk sense into them, you can't give them anything that would meaningfully help them.

Re:I’ve been a self-employed independent creator for 10 years by dasil003 on Monday July 17, 2017 @07:37PM (#14793221)
People who beg for help, but are beyond help, are one thing. Yes, that's annoying, but you are projecting an awful lot that's not actually in this article. Your reaction to a blog article about some guy finding his own way is out of proportion to what was actually stated. I would humbly suggest that there is something deeper being triggered in your psyche that you would gain more by exploring than trying to convince everyone else how irrational this approach is.
Re:I’ve been a self-employed independent creator for 10 years by Mz on Monday July 17, 2017 @07:45PM (#14793267)
From the article:

I felt sure that I’d never work for someone else again. My will to “work” was gone. I cashed out a big chunk of my retirement fund to buy myself some time. After all, I had spent years eating 80-cent Banquet® meals for lunch, saving for this moment.

From your comment above, one of many here:

So let me state, for the record, that not wanting to have a 9-5 job is an eminently rational thing to want. Wanting it against reality, however, or without a realistic plan to accomplish it, or settling on stupid ways of getting there, like just quitting without a game plan, is a recipe for pain, not prosperity. You're not dealing from a rational frame, so your outcomes will not be what you want them to be.

The article also indicates he has savings, something lots of Americans don't have, regardless of how they make their money. He has more than paid back the money he cashed out of his retirement.

I don't know what on earth you are arguing against here, but it seems unrelated to the actual article under discussion. I get that people get defensive when "everyone" seems to argue against them. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. But sometimes, walking away from the stupid argument with internet strangers and not continuing to dig your grave deeper is the better choice. Sometimes, one is just running a fever or pissed at their boss or whatever and this stupid argument seems wildly more important than it really is. Down that path lies madness.

best.

Re:I’ve been a self-employed independent creator for 10 years by coldtea on Tuesday July 18, 2017 @05:16AM (#14795248)
>So let me state, for the record, that not wanting to have a 9-5 job is an eminently rational thing to want. Wanting it against reality, however, or without a realistic plan to accomplish it, or settling on stupid ways of getting there, like just quitting without a game plan, is a recipe for pain, not prosperity. You're not dealing from a rational frame, so your outcomes will not be what you want them to be.

Well, we can agree to that, but that's not the exclusive or general case.

I think you color it more by your experience with your roommate, than by what people generally do.

In general, judging from hundreds of millions of McJobs and corporate jobs, most people don't leave their jobs willy nilly.

I'd go as far as to say that wanting to quit your job and start a freelancing or entrepreneurial or small business gig, is not irrational in itself, EVEN if the person fails. If it was guaranteed success, we wouldn't be talking about entrepreneurial risk.

As long as its a calculated risk -- and not crazy optimism, I don't find it irrational.

Now, crazy optimism, "I will succeed no matter what", that is irrational.