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Re:Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the Pres... by zo1 on Sunday July 16, 2017 @09:20AM (#14781871)
>"Of course they do. After all they are indoctrinated in its favor from an early age."

You could argue that for almost anything that we have in society (Religion and the State being the two most obvious ones). And yet, it intellectually doesn't phase people the slightest. "So what if we're taught that government is good and benevolent since a tender age". This is precisely because most of society does not function using first-principles. If they did, we'd be in a completely different world right now.

Re:Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the Pres... by coldtea on Sunday July 16, 2017 @02:12PM (#14783314)
>You could argue that for almost anything that we have in society (Religion and the State being the two most obvious ones). And yet, it intellectually doesn't phase people the slightest.

Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of royalty? At best, it's about how other things people think OK and are used to from a young age are also messed up. One could use that line of logic to excuse all kind of societal issues at their time -- segregation, racism and sexism for example.

And yet, society evolved beyond those, from self principles like equality.

Re:Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the Pres... by petre on Sunday July 16, 2017 @02:50PM (#14783532)
The commies wanted to build a society based on principles like equality but then some people turned to be more equal than others and corruption became so deeply rooted that it still plagues ex communist states today, 30 years after the fall of communism in Eastern Europe.
Re:Turkish GSM networks currently play a message of the Pres... by coldtea on Sunday July 16, 2017 @02:56PM (#14783561)
>The commies wanted to build a society based on principles like equality but then some people turned to be more equal than others and corruption became so deeply rooted that it still plagues ex communist states today, 30 years after the fall of communism in Eastern Europe.

So? The US also wanted to do the same (build a society based on "certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"). The French too during their revolution. As did countless other revolutions besides the "commies".

Didn't end that bad for most of them, in fact that's how the modern world was build.

Would you rather we still had Kings and Pharaohs lest "some people turn to be more equal than others"?