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Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by samstave on Saturday July 15, 2017 @02:35PM (#14778163)
You're a part of the same team and you need to wear these outfits which you will likely never wear outside of work, but the huge bonus goes to the client favoring sales team, and no - we won't pay for the garb we require you to maintain the illusion that we are all equals!

Honestly, one of the things I absolutely love about tech/Silicon Valley is nobody cares at all how you dress.

Although, I noticed the sale force offices unofficial uniform:

Brown shoes brown belt designer jeans and some dry-cleaned blue shirt and a blazer...

"Look at how casually uniquely I conform to the office uniform!"

Not judging, I just thought it was funny...

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by hkmurakami on Saturday July 15, 2017 @03:55PM (#14778584)
SV absolutely has a dress code. Try showing up to work as an engineer "overdressed" in a casually dressed team and see what happens. Or dress like the sales team when you're part of engineering, etc.
Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by dboreham on Saturday July 15, 2017 @04:43PM (#14778829)
Ha. Just said the same thing above. So true.
Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by gaius on Saturday July 15, 2017 @04:01PM (#14778627)
Honestly, one of the things I absolutely love about tech/Silicon Valley is nobody cares at all how you dress.

LOL the "hoodie code" is 10x stronger than any suit code.

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by samstave on Saturday July 15, 2017 @04:08PM (#14778674)
Honest question: how old are you?

If you're even the slightest bit concerned with anything anyone is wearing, then you need to focus on something else.

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by gaius on Saturday July 15, 2017 @04:16PM (#14778703)
I'm old enough to not care sometimes and to play the game sometimes and to know the difference

Tell a suit wearer that they should dress casual tomorrow and they'll say OK. Tell a geek they have to wear a suit tomorrow and they'll freak out. Now tell me who cares more about clothes?

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by samstave on Saturday July 15, 2017 @07:20PM (#14779655)
Hmm.. that's a good point actually with a slight rebuttal:

The suit wearer also has a closet full of casual clothes

The casual wearer will not have a line of suits - thus his freak out

What is the payscale between the both vs type of work and hours?

Would be great to get a map of all this

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by gaius on Sunday July 16, 2017 @03:02AM (#14780897)
What is the payscale between the both vs type of work

A hoodie-wearer at FB or Apple probably out-earns the majority of suit-wearers at Goldman - it is definitely not about money, just about attitude.

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by user5994461 on Sunday July 16, 2017 @08:38AM (#14781740)
>>> A hoodie-wearer at FB or Apple probably out-earns the majority of suit-wearers at Goldman - it is definitely not about money, just about attitude.

Sorry but it's highly unlikely.

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by throwu383 on Monday July 17, 2017 @12:56PM (#14790318)
As a current Goldman Strat I can confirm that the hoodie-wearer is certainly out earning the majority. Only the traders are paid well, everyone else is on a less than competitive wage based on an illusion of how it "used to be". Historically (10+ years ago) the total compensation was accounted for by a big bonus but these days it is non existent.

Almost every VP I know in NYC/LDN makes less than a fresh grad at Google in the bay area.

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by ska on Sunday July 16, 2017 @11:47AM (#14782466)
True. There is a broader point that holds though, average tech salaries are above or equal to some careers that assume daily suits, even if NYC investment banking isn't one of them.

I think it's mostly tribal signalling, " I am not a suit" kind of thing. Although never having to deal with dry cleaning is an incentive, too.

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by johan_larson on Saturday July 15, 2017 @05:27PM (#14779056)
> Honestly, one of the things I absolutely love about tech/Silicon Valley is nobody cares at all how you dress.

Things aren't quite as loose as you seem to think. If you want to see where the boundaries are, start gradually dressing more and more informally, and note when you start drawing criticism from your manager and senior coworkers. I expect you'll get more attention than you want if you were to come to work shirtless, say.

Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by samstave on Saturday July 15, 2017 @07:01PM (#14779561)
I dress for myself. I dress well, casual and comfortable. I shall not wear a suit to suite others, nor will I dress like a bum. I have found a set of clothes I like, looks good and I feel comfortable I. And I buy five-to-ten of the outfits and I wear the same thing visually every day, though they are physically different garments.
Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by DanBC on Saturday July 15, 2017 @05:29PM (#14779065)
Or go the other way and turn up in a suit.
Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by samstave on Saturday July 15, 2017 @07:17PM (#14779645)
"You must have an interview today!"
Re:Goldman Sachs relaxes dress code for techs in fight for t... by walshemj on Saturday July 15, 2017 @05:30PM (#14779070)
Brown in town "shudders" the horror the horror