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Re:Apple and Google embody two alternative models of capitalism by taneq on Wednesday July 12, 2017 @08:18AM (#14751845)
Your first two points relate to what the government actually did with those payments, and not with the social contract between taxpayer and government.

I'm not sure I follow your third point. The pension system is far from generous - it's ~72% of after-tax minimum wage. Pensioners generally live in the same house they've lived in for decades, if they haven't downsized, and it's only the primary property that's not means tested so it's not like they're hoarding investment properties.

And they didn't get to 'overconsume by not putting sufficient away' - they did put that amount away, as part of their tax payments. What the government did with the enforced payments is a different matter.

Re:Apple and Google embody two alternative models of capitalism by ACow_Adonis on Wednesday July 12, 2017 @06:13PM (#14757133)
Late response: I assume you've done the calculations right regarding the minimum wage, and that you've taken into account the additional payments not included under the label of pension.

To get an accurate view of the value of the pension though, you have to take the dollar face value and apply both pensioner discounts (practically everywhere in Aus, you will get discounts on your rates and utilities at the very least, in practice substantially more such as transport and consumables). In addition most also get to consume their imputed rent.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all pensioners are "living it large". It is miserable to be a pensioner that doesn't own their home. But their true consumption possibilities are several multiples in practice of all our other social security payments, say for the unemployed or people on minimum wage for example, who don't own their own homes.

Given the demographic boom of the boomers, we are effectively paying living wages to the group that statistically hold the most wealth of any age group, and that we don't means test against the primary store of that wealth, I predict this system cannot last.

The government can enter into a defined pension scheme that proclaims it will be summer forever, and people can complain that they were promised that it would be summer forever, but a wise man knows that winter is coming...