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Re:Math education: It’s not about numbers, it’s about learni... by brightball on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:35PM (#14747824)
I'd agree with this completely. It's less about teaching what, how and when than it is teaching WHY you need to know this.

In high school, if you can convince a single person that they need to know calculus, more power to you. 99% of people don't and it's literally a waste of time. Teach people finance though...suddenly we have math that people will know is important.

Re:Math education: It’s not about numbers, it’s about learni... by hinkley on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:04PM (#14748481)
I was so pissed in college when I found out that all of those equations we had to memorize in physics were just the integrals.

Why did I have to memorize all that shit if there's a simple way to derive the formula? Jesus.

Re:Math education: It’s not about numbers, it’s about learni... by analog31 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @10:44PM (#14749782)
At my college, there were "calculus based" and "non calculus based" physics classes. It seemed like the calculus based class was a lot easier for just the reason that you state.
Re:Math education: It’s not about numbers, it’s about learni... by a-saleh on Wednesday July 12, 2017 @01:27AM (#14750290)
I remember the day in my last year in high school, when my physics teacher looked at us with a frustrated face and asked:

"So, you still didn't have derivation in math class?"

We explained, that we will have it in the final month of the school year, if we are lucky. Her reaction was:

"But we kinda need it already. But I should be able to teach you that in 20 minutes."

And she did. And then she spent the rest of the lesson going through some old equations that she might have spent hours explaining: "Remember how long it took us to get to i.e: equation relating gass pressure and temperature? We always used that finicky helper variable. I think I even named it delta. In reality, you just derive this base form, and do a simple substitution."

Ok, my memory is a bit hazy. But she went on and on, through stuff we have been ehm, deriving without calculus for hours, that took with calculus around 3-4 steps.

Re:Math education: It’s not about numbers, it’s about learni... by alasdair_ on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @07:22PM (#14748909)
Coming up with actual uses would have been enormously helpful to me when I was younger. All I was literally ever told was "you need this to pass the exam"

The one thing I really wished I'd have learned more of, younger, is stats. Knowing how basic probability works would have been fantastic - it took a lot of poker theory to really understand it in my bones.

Re:Math education: It’s not about numbers, it’s about learni... by Balgair on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:42PM (#14748346)
I think motivation is key. That said, I think that the engagement in the 'personal finance' section of a HS class would also be low, maybe not for graduating seniors, but definitely for freshmen. Teaching is tricky, my SO is in education and it's not easy. Kids don't tell you things like their hunger issues, romantic issues, home life, etc. They may not even know they are having an issue, young as they are. Hormones are never going to stop making them nuts. Top that all off with budget problems (most US districts have not increased funding since 2008, pop. growth and inflation be damned) and other bureaucratic stuff, and you get a heck of a mess. Staying motivated as an educator is pretty tough, let along inspiring them to be motivated. At the end of the day, the kids are responsible for themselves largely, just like most humans have always been.