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Re:Why Did It Take Devuan Two Years to Replace Systemd? by dijit on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @03:55PM (#14747455)
Let's get something distinct: Linus is like Gordon Ramsey.. If you should know better and you do junk work then you will be shit on.

I've seen Linus handle people numerous times who are learning or do not claim to be experts and he is always respectful, civil and a lot less blunt.

Not to mention the fact that when Linus is shitting on people it's often because they broke something for the "user"[0].

Lennart is not this way, he breaks userspace, he breaks norms and has a _huge_ ego. He conducts himself as if him and his crew are the only good programmers in the universe.

That is quintessentially _not_ the same as Linus.

[0]: User is a broad definition here, but it covers userspace programmers.

Re:Why Did It Take Devuan Two Years to Replace Systemd? by KirinDave on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:39PM (#14748326)
Apologetics for Linus Torvalds are exactly what I was saying is unfair about this. "Lennart is not good when he is an ass but Linus, well HE is something different" is a pretty uncompelling argument.

Either the environment is civil and professional or it is not. You can't say, "It is UNLESS..." and then mention something that could conceivably happen in the course of a normal working week.

Re:Why Did It Take Devuan Two Years to Replace Systemd? by ksk on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @04:25PM (#14747734)
>If you should know better and you do junk work then you will be shit on.

>times who are learning or do not claim to be experts

That makes no sense. If _Linus_ thinks you should know better is not the same as "they claim to be experts". According to you, who has claimed to be an expert and demanded that Linus should listen to them?

>and has a _huge_ ego.

Sounds a lot like Linus Torvalds.

>I have an ego the size of a small planet, but I'm not _always_ right

>I'm an egotistical bastard, and I name all my projects after myself. First Linux, now git.

>I'm always right. This time I'm just even more right than usual.

All direct quotes from him.

>I've seen Linus handle people numerous times who are learning or do not claim to be experts and he is always respectful, civil and a lot less blunt.

People who are sometimes rude to others can also be sometimes nice to others. This is not surprising in the least.

Re:Why Did It Take Devuan Two Years to Replace Systemd? by khedoros1 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @05:05PM (#14748062)
It seems like Linus tends to be rude to the right people, while Lennart is rude and dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him, regardless of who they are.
Re:Why Did It Take Devuan Two Years to Replace Systemd? by KirinDave on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @07:41PM (#14749024)
This is entirely a matter of opinion and cultural norms. That's a terrible basis for an international project.
Re:Why Did It Take Devuan Two Years to Replace Systemd? by khedoros1 on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @08:04PM (#14749132)
We might be better off replacing both dictatorships with an international leadership panel or something. It seems like that would be the quickest way to dilute the effects of opinion and clashes between different cultures.

It might be a quick way to blunt innovation in both. Or not. I dunno; people are complicated.

Re:Why Did It Take Devuan Two Years to Replace Systemd? by yebyen on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @07:39PM (#14749006)
I have nothing of substance to add, but I agree with that.