Linus: “I no longer feel like I can trust ‘init’ to do the sane thing”

Re:Linus: “I no longer feel like I can trust ‘init’ to do th... by okdana on Monday July 10, 2017 @07:19AM (#14734907)

You can use syslog in conjunction with the systemd journal. Some distributions come set up that way by default, and for the others you can just `apt-get install rsyslog` or whatever. When you have a syslog daemon installed, `tail -f` and everything else you're used to works exactly the same as before, you can pretend the journal doesn't even exist if you want. And if you don't have a syslog daemon installed... well, i don't know if that's really journalctl's fault, is it?

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Re:Linus: “I no longer feel like I can trust ‘init’ to do th... by chillydawg on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:34AM (#14735728)

Sure, just throw in several extra steps, huge numbers of syscalls and make any admin add complexity to their systems. For a busy service, this is a performance issue that the systemd devs simply reject out of hand as "doing it wrong".

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Re:Linus: “I no longer feel like I can trust ‘init’ to do th... by mdekkers on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:28AM (#14736202)

you can pretend the journal doesn't even exist if you want

Why must I have it if I don't need or want it? What is this, Windows?

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Re:Linus: “I no longer feel like I can trust ‘init’ to do th... by okdana on Monday July 10, 2017 @11:23AM (#14736731)

That doesn't seem like an especially compelling argument. There are components of every ready-made operating system that you 'don't need or want'. I don't need or want an IPv6 stack, or debugfs, or half of the other features that come with most distributions' Linux kernels, and i don't need or want legacy bull shit like (d)ash and cpio and Python 2. But there they always are anyway, and i don't lose much sleep over that fact.

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