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Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by dwaltrip on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:19PM (#14714061)
Governments are a default state produced by groups of humans. They are inevitable. Making them better is incredibly hard work, but that is the only option.

Often times, they are improved by working outside the system itself, it seems. So there are some interesting options for tackling this hard problem. The company mentioned in the article may turn out to be a great example of this.

Governments do come in many forms, with varying size, composition, and effectiveness. However, the ancap vision of no government and everything done by "voluntary" contract has no meaningful basis in reality at this point, as far as I can tell.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by duncan_bayne on Thursday July 06, 2017 @06:17PM (#14714397)
I agree with you re. anarcho-capitalism. I think that a state is a prerequisite for capitalism.

But that doesn't mean you couldn't a) pare back the state to the bare minimum functionality (which doesn't include garbage collection, IMO) and fund it voluntarily.

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by dragonwriter on Thursday July 06, 2017 @06:26PM (#14714457)
> But that doesn't mean you couldn't a) pare back the state to the bare minimum functionality (which doesn't include garbage collection, IMO) and fund it voluntarily.

You could do that with the entity called “the state”, but that entity would no longer be the state or government, no matter what it was called. (It might be an arm of the real government, which might consist of entities voluntarily funding the “state” which themselves exercise coercive, in practice, extraction of wealth, or it might be an irrelevant figurehead.)

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by wu-ikkyu on Friday July 07, 2017 @11:47AM (#14719308)
>However, the ancap vision of no government and everything done by "voluntary" contract has no meaningful basis in reality at this point

What about tribal societies?

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by dwaltrip on Friday July 07, 2017 @09:34PM (#14723545)
I'm talking about larger groups of humans. Things are very different when you have only a few hundred humans or less. Dunbar's number[1] is an important factor here.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by wu-ikkyu on Sunday July 09, 2017 @06:03PM (#14731965)
Don't most people only have real social relationships with a few hundred people or less?
Re:An ‘Uber for garbage’ picks up steam, and $11.7M in Serie... by dwaltrip on Sunday July 09, 2017 @10:47PM (#14733053)
Of course, but I'm not sure what that has to do with governance structures of societies.