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Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by sctb on Thursday July 06, 2017 @03:19PM (#14713089)
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14707859 and marked it off-topic.
Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by cbanek on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @11:20PM (#14707939)
Sorry, I meant screen for.

And yes, screening for people who suffer from genetic diseases. A lot of which we can't cure right now. But we are working on some of them. Childhood diseases are very tricky though, because they're typically quite rare, and many of the treatments are experimental.

As for screening out people who develop chronic conditions in life, we already do that. Cancer is a genetic disease that happens later in life, and sometimes we can't cure it. Sometimes that person wants assisted suicide rather than going through the pain of living. That's their choice I think.

I think the big thing is as technology progresses, and we can both cure more and people can't pay for it without insurance, what do we do? Should we cure 100 babies in Africa or one in the US? They're both life, but very different cost. Shouldn't we save more babies if we can? Does where a baby gets born imply how much we should care about it?

When you go as far as basically the holocaust, I think that's pretty crazy. We're talking about naturally occurring diseases and problems that we may or may not be able to cure. How much of someone else's money should be spent on it is an open and tricky question, as the patient would likely spend any amount to stay alive. At that point, maybe compassion is looking at the larger picture: we're all going to die at some point. But medicine these days is about delaying the inevitable at huge cost to someone else.

Really, I think the long term solution is taking the profit motive out of healthcare. If helping people live better lives isn't good enough, then maybe medicine isn't your field. And we should make healthcare non-profit and not tax it, and do other things to encourage it.

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Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by 35bge57dtjku on Thursday July 06, 2017 @12:27AM (#14708127)
It might not look like quite the same Holocaust level event when you control for the ones that would have died anyway. But hey, let's not examine the details when we can just spread hysteria instead. And then when you look at the other 2 leading causes of death, which are about as bad or worse in numbers, your hysteria looks even more misplaced. And then there's the fact that about 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, or approx. a million per year, about twice as many as now get aborted. What kind of crazy numbers would we get if we summed all those up since 1952, also?
Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by cbanek on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @11:42PM (#14707998)
That pales in comparison to the contraception apocalypse.

And now that more have access to contraception, abortion rates are steadily going down, which I think everyone can agree is a good thing.

Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by jacobolus on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @11:44PM (#14708001)
(Some) conservative Christians absolutely do not agree with this. Hence abstinence-only education, shuttering planned parenthood, cutting requirements that insurance cover contraceptives and cutting government funding for them (and health services for women more generally), trying to restrict access to Plan B, etc.

For folks trying to make policy on moral absolutist grounds, the outcome (number of abortions, stable healthy families, ..) doesn’t really matter as much as making sure all of the relevant questions have black-and-white legal status in accordance to the extent possible with their religious beliefs.

Trying to get deontologists and consequentialists to agree on policy is difficult partly because they typically don’t understand each-others philosophical frameworks, and talk past each-other, making assumptions (e.g. less abortions = good) which are not valid to the other party.

Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by imcrs on Thursday July 06, 2017 @03:23AM (#14708701)
Sorry to be pedantic, but it is important: fetuses or embryos are aborted, they are not babies until they are born.
Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by cbanek on Thursday July 06, 2017 @05:00AM (#14709004)
Totally agree in terms of a normal legal definition.

Of course different religions have different views on the more metaphysical concept, I find it interesting that it seems for Jewish people, that babies aren't considered "fully formed people" (spiritually speaking) until a number of days after birth.

Source: http://www.momentmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/When-doe...

Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by huehehue on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @11:20PM (#14707940)
Jesus dude, that's a bit of a leap. We're not talking about people who might develop conditions, or people who choose to live their lives certain ways. As I understand it, the conversation's more about a hypothetical baby that will absolutely be born with a terrible disease that will grant nothing but a short and excruciating existence. There's real scientific reasoning behind that decision, not "oh the baby's probably gonna be a commie, get rid of it"
Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by ad_hominem on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @11:38PM (#14707987)
> a terrible disease that will grant nothing but a short and excruciating existence

That's not a necessary qualification. For example, 90%+ of fetuses diagnosed with Down's syndrome are aborted, even though Down's is far from a death sentence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju-q4OnBtNU

Re:Focus on Infants During Childbirth Leaves U.S. Moms in Da... by Rotonde on Thursday July 06, 2017 @08:07AM (#14709714)
The happy go lucky Down's people, however, are just what you see of them in media. That's a tiny fraction of the entire population with Down's, which consists of a range of horrible and crippling mental and physical disabilities, in addition to increased risk for diseases like early onset Alzheimers.

Giving a child a life like that feels cruel and heartless to me.