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Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by arethuza on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @07:40AM (#14701570)
How unreliable are ICEs these days - maybe its just me, but I've never had an engine problem in nearly 20 years of owning cars. Electrical problems, suspension problems, drainage problems - had all of them but never had a problem with the actual engine.
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by more_corn on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @01:18PM (#14704293)
Car guy here. Internal Combustion Engines have some pretty complex systems that pure electric systems don't need. Water cooling and engine oil spring to mind. Timing belts need to be changed, transition systems have problems with some regularity. (Granted, most performance electric cars have a transmission too, but you can almost get away without one, so I'm going to assume more simplicity of design)

Not arguing one way or another just providing data. My only electric car is an old converted Porsche. (Transmission is still there but you can basically slap it in third and leave it there) I'll never have to change the oil on that one again, and the electric motor is simple as can be. Battery management is kind of a pain, but that's because I don't have the kind of advanced battery management a mass market car would have.

I don't have enough data yet, but my experience suggests that electric cars will have a much lower maintenance load simply because of the reduced complexity. Of course all the automation and bells and whistles will still break, and the computer control systems will get wonky.

Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by chiph on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @09:44AM (#14702310)
The last internal engine problem I had was with a 200cid (3.2 liter) inline six from Ford - the pistons had to be de-carboned after a cross-country drive. This was in 1985, so I blame the 55 mph national speed limit for not letting the engine run harder. Ever since - I just do 5000 mile oil changes and 3 year coolant changes, and all is well. They're really quite reliable these days, even as the complexity has gone up with turbos, direct injection, variable valve timing, and so on.
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by cptskippy on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @10:13AM (#14702517)
Maybe it depends on the age of your car and how you drive it? I've had 4 Honda Accords from an 88 up to an 07 that all started exhibiting the same engine problems around the 200k mile mark. Blown head gaskets, burning oil, timing belt issues, etc.
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by Tloewald on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @11:15AM (#14703040)
I assume you were replacing the timining belts on schedule. Given the near legendary reliability of the Honda Accord it makes me wonder if there's something about the way you drive.

Even so, 200,000 miles is not too shabby. I don't think we have useful data on electric vehicles with that kind of mileage.

Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by ams6110 on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @12:32PM (#14703847)
I have a honda with 226,000 miles. Starts and runs like new.

I have replaced timing belt and water pump and motor mounts in addition to regular fluid changes. The timing belt and water pump work was proactive maintenance (the timing belt drives the water pump so they suggest replacing both at once since it's not really any extra work).

The motor mounts simply wore out. Not expensive to replace. Rubber mounts will wear out on a Tesla too, eventually.

Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by Siecje on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @09:10AM (#14702086)
What is a drainage problem?
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by arethuza on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @09:37AM (#14702268)
I had a Passat a few years back and it had a design flaw where the tray that holds the battery has drain holes that can get blocked and if they do it overflows into the interior of the car.

I used to park my car under trees that dropped leaves which blocked the battery compartment drainage holes and as I am in Scotland it can get quite wet. Ended up with car filled with 1" of water.... Interior of car had to be stripped, dried out and put back in by the dealer.

Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by saturdaysaint on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @10:10AM (#14702490)
I'm always tempted to test drive stylish German cars but I swear 90% of the maintenance horror stories I've heard in the last 15 years have involved a German car.
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by Tloewald on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @11:17AM (#14703055)
VW in particular has a pretty poor reputation for long term reliability (also see Consumer Reports et al). The stories I hear about American cars, by contrast, tend to be poor reliability soon after purchase (followed by solid long term reliability)
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by arethuza on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @12:02PM (#14703532)
Not sure I would describe a Passat as "stylish" :-)
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @09:27AM (#14702196)
It's when you realize your OEM sunroof leaks just like an '70s aftermarket sunroof but there is a drain that keeps you from noticing. Or there was a drain, now it's full of dirt and debris and doesn't drain very well.
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by rubidium on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @09:37AM (#14702263)
Window and trunk leaks
Re:Tesla Model 3 Hits Production by dom0 on Wednesday July 05, 2017 @12:49PM (#14704005)
Turbo-diesel fuel injection pumps are ... not the most reliable thing to have in a car.